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  1. #1
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    Angry Driving long tools through the vice

    Hi

    When using x5 what can I change in the linking parameters or post to stop the cutter length from canceling above part and driving the tool into the part? This only happens when I use tools that have + length compensation.

    DP

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    Re: Driving long tools through the vice

    Post some code so we can see what's happening...

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    Re: Driving long tools through the vice

    15 G20
    N16 G0 G17 G40 G80 G90
    N17 ( 1/8 SPOTDRILL TOOL - 4 DIA. OFF. - 4 LEN. - 4 DIA - .125 )
    N18 ( DOUGS VMC 40 )
    N19 ( CENTER )
    N20 T4 M6
    N21 A-0.
    N22 G0 G90 S2139 M3 E11 X.5 Y4.5
    N23 H4 Z2. M8
    N24 G81 G98 X.5 Y4.5 Z-.1425 R0.1 F3.
    N25 X3.5
    N26 X.5 Y.5
    N27 G80
    N28 M5 M9
    N29 G90 H0 Z0.
    N30 M1
    N31 ( .167 PILOT DRILL (21?) TOOL - 7 DIA. OFF. - 7 LEN. - 7 DIA - .167 )
    N32 ( DOUGS VMC 40 )
    N33 ( PILOT HOLE )
    N34 T7 M6
    N35 G0 G90 S1900 M3 E11 X.5 Y4.5
    N36 H7 Z2. M8
    N37 G83 G98 X.5 Y4.5 Z-.5602 R0.1 Q.0501 F2.74
    N38 X3.5
    N39 X.5 Y.5
    N40 G80
    N41 M5 M9
    N42 G90 H0 Z0.
    N43 M1
    N44 ( .381 TIN DRILL BIT TOOL - 5 DIA. OFF. - 5 LEN. - 5 DIA - .381 )
    N45 ( DOUGS VMC 40 )
    N46 ( THROUGH HOLE )
    N47 T5 M6
    N48 G0 G90 S2406 M3 E11 X.5 Y4.5
    N49 H5 Z2. M8
    N50 G83 G98 X.5 Y4.5 Z-.7245 R0.1 Q.1143 F3.5
    N51 X3.5
    N52 X.5 Y.5
    N53 G80
    N54 M5 M9
    N55 G90 H0 Z0.
    N56 E0 X0 Y0
    N57 M30
    %
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    Re: Driving long tools through the vice

    Guess it's the h0 z0, should be a simple change in the post processor. Although it's also not retracting,

    *************ignoring that, it's done in cycle, duuuuum moment.

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    Re: Driving long tools through the vice

    Are you able to make a zip 2 go. If you can then I don't mind looking into it for you.

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    Re: Driving long tools through the vice

    I'll try and zip the post. Thanks for your help!

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    Re: Driving long tools through the vice

    Not sure if this will work but here is zipped post
    Attached Files Attached Files

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    Re: Driving long tools through the vice

    Inside your zip is a .control file.
    The file needed is a .pst file -should be in folder mill/posts.
    cheers

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    Re: Driving long tools through the vice

    I think we had the same problem with our mazaks.. I will check on it...

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    Re: Driving long tools through the vice

    Quote Originally Posted by dougputt View Post
    15 G20
    N16 G0 G17 G40 G80 G90
    N17 ( 1/8 SPOTDRILL TOOL - 4 DIA. OFF. - 4 LEN. - 4 DIA - .125 )
    N18 ( DOUGS VMC 40 )
    N19 ( CENTER )
    N20 T4 M6
    N21 A-0.
    N22 G0 G90 S2139 M3 E11 X.5 Y4.5
    N23G43 H4 Z2. M8
    N24 G81 G98 X.5 Y4.5 Z-.1425 R0.1 F3.
    N25 X3.5
    N26 X.5 Y.5
    N27 G80
    N28 M5 M9
    N29 G90 H0 Z0.
    N30 M1
    N31 ( .167 PILOT DRILL (21?) TOOL - 7 DIA. OFF. - 7 LEN. - 7 DIA - .167 )
    N32 ( DOUGS VMC 40 )
    N33 ( PILOT HOLE )
    N34 T7 M6
    N35 G0 G90 S1900 M3 E11 X.5 Y4.5
    N36G43 H7 Z2. M8
    N37 G83 G98 X.5 Y4.5 Z-.5602 R0.1 Q.0501 F2.74
    N38 X3.5
    N39 X.5 Y.5
    N40 G80
    N41 M5 M9
    N42 G90 H0 Z0.
    N43 M1
    N44 ( .381 TIN DRILL BIT TOOL - 5 DIA. OFF. - 5 LEN. - 5 DIA - .381 )
    N45 ( DOUGS VMC 40 )
    N46 ( THROUGH HOLE )
    N47 T5 M6
    N48 G0 G90 S2406 M3 E11 X.5 Y4.5
    N49G43 H5 Z2. M8
    N50 G83 G98 X.5 Y4.5 Z-.7245 R0.1 Q.1143 F3.5
    N51 X3.5
    N52 X.5 Y.5
    N53 G80
    N54 M5 M9
    N55 G90 H0 Z0.
    N56 E0 X0 Y0
    N57 M30
    %
    %
    You have no G43 call in your program, this is the tool offset call without it you will crash, you need a G43 with each H1 for tool (1) for each tool change
    Mactec54

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    Re: Driving long tools through the vice

    Quote Originally Posted by mactec54 View Post
    You have no G43 call in your program, this is the tool offset call without it it will crash, you need a G43 H1 for tool (1) at each tool change
    It is there. Line 36

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    Re: Driving long tools through the vice

    Don't know why it would make a difference but there is no space between the N## and the G43 Shouldn't matter but maybe it does.

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    Re: Driving long tools through the vice

    Bm150

    I put them in there, look at the first posted code, it does not have any G43 tool offset call in the program
    Mactec54

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    Re: Driving long tools through the vice

    Quote Originally Posted by warrenb View Post
    Don't know why it would make a difference but there is no space between the N## and the G43 Shouldn't matter but maybe it does.
    If you are using tool offsets, then you can not run the program without a G43 H---- tool number, without it you will crash, this is the very basics of programing
    Mactec54

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    Re: Driving long tools through the vice

    Quote Originally Posted by mactec54 View Post
    Bm150

    I put them in there, look at the first posted code, it does not have any G43 tool offset call in the program
    Rodger that...

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    shouldn't the end of program read:
    G80
    M5 M9
    G90 G28 Z0.
    X0. Y0.
    M30

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    Re: Driving long tools through the vice

    dougputt

    You will have to change the Z move at the end of each operation, this can be as simple as BM150 has already said

    Instead of it being G90 H0 Z0. Which is incorrect, it needs to be G0G53Z0. You will have to see if the control will work without the G0 if it does, then all you need it to be G53Z0. this is all you need at the end of each tool operation

    If you don't want the Z to go all the way home Z0 then you can give it a number like G0G53Z3. this will move the Z axes or tool 3" above the part, this number can be anything you want it to be, or were you want the Z axes to park after an operation

    You can also use G0Z0. will do the same thing,
    Mactec54

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    Re: Driving long tools through the vice

    Quote Originally Posted by mactec54 View Post
    dougputt

    You will have to change the Z move at the end of each operation, this can be as simple as BM150 has already said

    Instead of it being G90 H0 Z0. Which is incorrect, it needs to be G0G53Z0. You will have to see if the control will work without the G0 if it does, then all you need it to be G53Z0. this is all you need at the end of each tool operation

    If you don't want the Z to go all the way home Z0 then you can give it a number like G0G53Z3. this will move the Z axes or tool 3" above the part, this number can be anything you want it to be, or were you want the Z axes to park after an operation

    You can also use G0Z0. will do the same thing,
    Thanks for all the input guys.
    Mac I've been setting the Z0. to Z3. or something similar as mentioned, but what happens is it returns to Machine zero plus 3", it starts to drive tool down but by the time it hits the next line it starts to go to machine zero without the work offset. The fadal format 2 doen't use G43 codes I don't believe, or not with the Mcam post the way it is. It works fine for any tools that have a negative correction from my master tool.

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    Re: Driving long tools through the vice

    dougputt

    I should of read what you posted better, did not see you were using a Fadal format 2, they have a positive & a negative tool offset G43 & a G44 for tool offset

    Codes are attached

    you can use these

    G90 H0 Z0. You were missing the G0 in these lines G90 G0 H0 Z0

    E0 X0 Y0
    Mactec54

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    Re: Driving long tools through the vice

    Hi

    I've removed the H0 cutter length cancel from lines 29 & 42 and seems to be work around for now. Just need to find it in the post...wonder what that will mess up..down the road..

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