[CroCole]

Ok that is very good news..
First save the parameters that are now in the drive SERVO==>PC then Save As ***.prm....(u never know ) U can try the firmware update but i think u can try running the drive without that.. If u cant do the procedure then try firmware update...

Open a new project with drive template.. Read the Motor and Encoder plates and input Motor and Encoder parameters.. (Manual section 5 ) All other parameters should for start be default (and they are when u open the new template)... Then do PC==>SERVO...Turn off/on main voltage to the drive to make drive load parameters.. Check for alarm ... If none try to do jog mode or test run and after that do auto tuning (U will maybe need to input 24 VDC on pin 1 and 0 VDC on pin 3,4,5 to enable drive for any procedure..) then save the parameters into the drive and on pc ---turn off/on... try to jog again...
If u get that then repeat the procedure for other drives and motor to test the equipment and make pairs of drive-motor ( Drive-Motor X,...Y....Z)

Just a note u will have to do finale auto tune procedure on the machine when scaling procedures are done (to compesate load inertia of axis)..

p.s. Were u trying first on win7 pc ??

[Zavashier]

Hi, I wish that would be simple but it still does not work

It looks like Samsung makes it as complicated as it could be, just to discourage customers...
First, I did not notice that two of the servo are labeled "DC motors" :
Attachment 250448
Fine. Otherhand, they cary the same Type : 02BB1ANT3, logicaly they can'be of a different type.
According to the manual section 2.1 :
Attachment 250450
They are :
CSM = well hopefuly that's understandable
02 = 200W
B = 220vAC (thanks god)
B = 2048 P/R brief incremental encoder
1 = (desing sequence, never mind)
A = Shaft with key (that's true - 12mm here)
N = No options
T = CSM/CSMT/CSMR (just in case prefix CSM was not clear enough i guess, or if customer want to be confused betwen the 3 models) :tired:
1 = circular shaft

So, that's what I payed for. At this point it's ok.

About the encoder (remember Error #E36 encoder type missmatch)
My encoder have a 9 wire plug :
Attachment 250452
According to the table 5.1 and the type number above :
Attachment 250454
It should be a 9 wire incremental wilt 2048 ppr. Logicaly.
In the SmartJogInterface, after selecting a CSM type then 200w, there's 3 choices left :

Logicaly I choose the 2048ppr incremental option.

That's precisely the options in the driver when i connected it. And of course I still have error E36.
Just to be sure, If I try "11 bit compact absolute" I get error E35.
I did not tested '"5000ppr" because the motor type says "2048ppr"

I've check the encoder cable again from CN2 to end and it's still ok.
I tried with different servo/driver pairing, and I still have Error #E36.

I wonder what I did wrong

[Zavashier]

I forget to say I've measured 1.18v between pins 7 and 8 of the encoder cable.
Attachment 250458
The error monitor says :
the power of the encoder is disconnected
and/or invalid set 51 setting*
and/or encoder fault

* Set 51 is Encoder type selection.

Actions recomanded :
- Check the power line for the encoder (Yep but what is the voltage expected ?)
- Replace the encoder (I wish not to have to do this )

[CroCole]

Hey

1. I know that u did that but check the cable again ... Beware of the male-female CN2 connector - -... As i found in the manual...

Attachment 250544

Attachment 250522

Attachment 250538


Supply is on A side (Encoder) 7 and 8 but on the B side (Drive CN2) it is 1 and 20 (5V DC)


2. When u entered the parameters did u do PC==>SERVO?? When u turn drive off/ and then on were the motor and encoder parameters u wrote in the drive ???

[alan_3301]

one thing you may want to check, If your drive uses the mini centronics MDR connectors, the trapezoid outer shield can go on the connector 2 ways, only 1 way is correct.
I bought some used servo drives and one of the CN1 connectors had the shield reversed, so the pinout was backwards of how it was supposed to be.
it took me a few hours to figure that one out.

[Zavashier]

Hi all, and thanks for your messages !

@Alan_3301 : on the 3M connectors provided in the kit, the metal trapzoidal shape is fixed.
Anyway I will check it out, and be wise for the future. Thanks.

@CroCole : The procedure was :
- Rewrite expected parameters to servo drive
- Turn off power
- whait 10mn (according to the manual for discharge time
- reboot of the driver
I thought it would be ok this way.

The 1.18v dc was mesured at the CON A. side.
I can't find any information about the encoder needed voltage, where did you find 5VDC ?
I dunno if it's because of the Alarm, but if It should be 5DC I've got a problem here.

Tell me if i'm wrong. It's realy strange the 3 drivers or the 3 encoders have the same problem at the same time.
If it is a wiring problem how could I make the same mistake on 3 cables ?
If it's a breakdown, how comes it happens on the 3 hardware at the same time ?
When the drives are not connected to the servo, the go into E36 error.
How comes when they are connected, the same error raise, just like encoder is not connected ?

Now the connexion between the computer and the driver is working. Good.
That's what i'm planning to do.
Few days ago I ordered 2 brand new CN2 and CN1 connectors.
I whait for them to come, then I' do a direct open wiring betwen the driver and the servo/encoder,
with test points on each wire. This way, everything accessible on the desk, I'll be able to check all,
bad connections, unexpected communication between connections, voltage, and so on.

I will be so sad to be forced to buy a chinese stepper kit and modify the CNC to accept its mount.

[CroCole]

Look at my post at last picture (CN2) connector...

Encoders with TTL chips on them (as ur motor use) have 5VDC input to work
(see on wiki Logic level - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia VCC is 5VDC and Logical Zero signal is from 0V to 0.8V and Logical One is from 2V to 5V )

Unplug the encoder and without him there should be 5 VDC between pin 20 (VCC 5VDC) and pin 1 (0VDC GND)...
(examine the CN2 connector as in my picture from last post and determine the pin 1 and pin 20 on yours cable )
Especially if you wired the encoder cables there could be error (u did the same mistake for 3 times)... So if u wired them wrong they do not work...
Lets hope for the best that u did not do any permanent damage to the drives or motor encoder..

[Zavashier]

Thanks for your message CroCole. 5.18v from pin 1 to pin 20. I check again the cables...

[Zavashier]

I have 5.11V at the end of the cable, just at the encoder connector. The CN2 wiring from MDR20 side looks like ok. I check again the other wires.

[Zavashier]

Hi all;

I was wondering : how comes I could have those problems.
Especialy when I measure 1.18v instead of 5V.
The cables was checked, I know how to weld wires, I do this frequently during more than 20 years.
I bought quality cable, pretty well dimentioned to pass rhe required amperage.
At the outlet connector of the drives, I got the good voltage.
So the only thing I dit not checked is the MDR connector itselves.
As far as they are used ones, I can't imagine I haven't done it before !

Bingo ! On both of them, I have momentary missconnections on some pins ! (chair)
It was difficult to find because when you push on the damaged pin, it makes contact,
but when you plug, the force is not enough to make a good contact.
When I opened the connector, the cut is visible.
So I selected the connector in "best" shape (only one pin broken),
and tryed succesfuly to repai the broken pin.

I did this last evening and the desk is a real mess.
By the way, I managed to get an orange light on the driver for the first time !

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Here, a video of the mess, and the barbarian wiring ! lol

ServoTestWiring&Jog - YouTube

BUT... It works ! Many thanks to you guys. I could not succeed without your help !
It's mi first encounter witht servo motors, and I'm realy surprised.
Il works realy quieltly, with no vibriations, event at low speed.
It's not realy a continuous torque. I noticed it falls below 100rpm.
But it's incredibly quick. There's a huge difference betweed steppers and servos.
I'm both impress and excited.

Next step : make the 3 drives/motors working !

Thanks again, cya !

[silyavski]

Same drives but 400w. Checked before cabling the machine-green light. Fixed all cables, connect the drives- 2 faulty. Wasted a day at least checking cables and wondering. Was at the point of ripping all cables from the machine. Then read this. from changing cables seems one drives female 20 MDR connector is faulty and one of the males. How it happened i don't know, humidity maybe , i live near sea.

[Alex101]

Hi!
have the same drivers (CSDJ 200W). Try to connect it for test. Strange: "connecting failed". It may be because i choose "CSDJ Plus" type in new project but my drivers is "CSDJ"?

[CroCole]

What comm settings u use? Do u have the right cable for communication?

[Alex101]

it was simply contact brake in my self-made communication cable :-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELSu...ature=youtu.be

[catur4widhi]

hi..
i have same problem with my allen bradley CSD3 plus.. error conection with pc. but it was solve by fresh install smartjog
first you must uninstall the old smartjog and delete all registry related to them..then brand new install the smartjog, waitt the magic is come, and averythinf will normal again

[tecfacet]

I need a copy of SmartJog 4.0.0.4 and the CDSJ servo drive manual.

I have three of these drives with 200w motors.

Can someone help me?

Thank you,

Tecfacet