[serum]

Wow.. Loads of new posts here! Frankmali17, you asked if i received the machine and performed the update as described in the manual i attached; No. I don't have the machine yet, but i'm gathering information.

It seems like we both have the same goal.. The max number of tools i could order was 8 for an inline ATC My machine should have more than enough space to have 2 rows for the inline ATC, so i wanted to add a 2nd row for more tools, which seems like a bit of a puzzle with these weird, non logic codes without any form of description what i understand from you. Wouldn't it simple work by adding more tools and make the callibration to these new tools done by hand (m991t9) as described in this vid;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7Cmc4xD3UA&t

@mikedk; you mention air-cut for the spindle; you mean the spindle that uses air to keep the bearings clean? did you cut that air?

@routerhead; Is there a power-supply that powers the logics of the affected parts?

Anybody here with an ATC and an auto-tool measurement? I thought F1 or F2 would enable/disable the auto tool measurement after an atc? Would it also be possible to have some tools use this feature by default and others not?

[mikeDK]

Serum yes on my ATC spindle it blows air out through the bearing to keep it clean.
when i got the machine it was blowing all the time, I change it so it's only blowing when the spindle is running.
then I also mention AIR Blow, there is a button for that, I use that for my mist spray
and changed the ladder so i can use M8 to turn it on and M9 to turn it off.
On my machine is F1 dust hood up and down and F1 works with M175/176, F2 is Tool release, Don't push it if you dont have your hand on the tool holder, It will drop the tool in a second.
F3 is limit override, F4 is not in use on my machine and F5 is for auto tool measurement.

/Mike

[serum]

That sounds like a a good idea (cut the air to the spindle) it's just wasting air if it's powered on and not in use. (and from what i've heard it creates an rather loud hiss). I might put a valve on that as well, did you made the mist spray add-on yourself too? (relay)? Does yours use a Delta or Fulling inverter? did you simple use an aux-channel on the VFD to power the air?

I think on my machine f1 is for the hood and f2 is for the auto-tool measurement after an atc. (don't know, don't have the machine yet)

I'm using Fusion 360 and modified the postprocessor for Fanuc slightly (according to the manual it should have g21/22 changed to g71/72 to have it working. the supplier of the machine was so helpful to post a video of my part being produced by the syntec using that postprocessor i edit, which seems to work. Noticed when posting some gcode the stock Fanuc PP doesn't support mist cooling (m7), only flood. (M8)

Good to have a thread like this, it was one of the reasons i opted for the Syntec controller..

Does any of you use an air-sensor in the e-stop/pause circuit when the air pressure drops? I understand the HSD spindle requires air to keep the tool in place.

[Frankmali17]

Hello SERUM... Welcome to the Forum... and Others as well..
Understand that Your SYNTEC.. can be totally different then anyone elses... just like Mach3 can be all differently set up, by different people...
The GOOD news though, is that the SYNTEC Manufacturer, seems to have "pre-made" certain setups and Macros.. that are then modified by the people that assemble your machine.

SO.. [F1] seems to be most often associated with Dust hood UP/DOWN. Macros M175/M176 are not found in the macro folder on my machine, but are built into the PLC ladder.. and also move the hood up/down.

Mine has F2 for tool release, (does the same thing as the green button on my HSD)... but I think the PLC ladder won't let you release the actual tool, if the spindle is spinning.
BUT.. it it's sitting there, and you press F2.. the tool will fall out --- SO WATCH OUT FOR THAT

F3 seems to be for returning back into the boundaries of "soft limits' .

I want to set up MY F4 for dust collection.. that I can turn on with a Macro... or more like an Mcode built into the PLC ladder... I'm thinkin M185/M186...
(every so often someone forgets to turn it on and makes a lot of dust)

My machine, if you Press F5.. it toggles on the tool sensor.. So when you will be doing a tool change.. the T0000 macro will then proceed with tool measuring.
For some reason, if i'm just changing tools around, I have to make sure I put the machine in metric mode, or I get out of limit errors....
I believe I need to modify/fix my T0000 macro for that.

When F5 is activated, and it measures the tool after ATC.. it records the tool length in the tool offset database...

I then keep F5 turned off, until I need to measure the tool after another replacement.

[Frankmali17]

My machine currently doesn't work when I hit the "LAMP" button, although my machine has a light attached to the right gantry Riser...
I never found a good use for the light so I don't care much about that...

But My Mist or Coolant buttons, or M8/M9 don't work.. They don't seem to be set up inside.

ABOUT ATC TOOL RELEASE...
HSD told me that the hissing air is blowing all the time to create "positive pressure" inside the chambers, to keep dust out.. and I believe them.. but I will too look for a way to turn it off with an inline solenoid so that I'm not going to keep all that air hissing when the spindle isn't running.

ALSO.. the HSD spindle Holds the ISO30 Tool holder tightly in the spindle by Use of a Grabbing Mechanism that is spring-loaded.. and pulls constantly on the "pull-stud"... When you want to release the tool, you are using air pressure to "release" the tool..
So notice the tool doesn't fall out if your air pressure goes out overnight.

My machine - as should others.. does have a mechanical air pressure sensor... that should alert SYNTEC if there isn't enough pressure. I had trouble with mine at some point.. and SYNTEC would show an alarm and refuse to run a program.

As for adding more tools.. . In the Parameter list and setting menu... My Parameter seems to be within the boundaries of 1 to 16 tools...

So I'm not sure if I can overcome that just by rewriting the Macros? or will I have to modify the PLC ladder...

[serum]

MikeDK:

I have a question: how did you linked the M8 command and the button to the correct relay in the ladder file? I need to do the exact same thing. Is there a way to monitor io’s? Did you need to change anything to have the M9 command active too?

I requested my supplier to add a pneumatic valve for coolant, but left room for creativity; as a result I received an extra button on the controller panel to switch the pneumatic valve.

Received a working vid of the machine last week, performing some cuts and an atc, can’t wait to cut the first panels.

[cncjunky2011]

Hi all.
Interesting reading, and thanks Syntec Lee for those great videos that started this thread off!
I just had a Roctech RC1325SATC wired up a few weeks ago, and have been plugging away trying to figure out the Syntec 6MD controller. This thread has helped immensely, but I'm getting multiple alarms, not always but too often. I've attached a screen shot of them. Bloody annoying!
If anyone can suggest whats going on or offer any suggestions, they would be much appreciated!
Thanks Kindly!
Attachment 375208

When we first received our machine and homed it for the first time we had an overload warning as the Y & Y2 motors were not perfectly aligned and the gantry wasn't square. We also had a lost pulse on the Z when we first received the machine but haven't seen it again since. Noise is a major issue with some things like this, maybe worth investigating that further if you keep getting random alarms but overloads are pretty specific and may be something relating to these kinds of actual problems.

[serum]

I would expect this error to turn up due to a diffences in the pulses of the closed loop servo’s in relation to the location of the homing sensors.

[serum]

Parameter manual; translated from chinese to english; 2 parts.

[patrioteood]

Hi everyone
I have a syntec 6mb with auto tool changer and 250 mm gantry.
I have been to hell and back again. In Canada CNC must be CSA approved so complete wiring on controller breakers and VFD.
I have everything working now would like to know if someone could help me program the CNC. I'm new to CNC so sorry I'm a newbie any help would be great. Kind of scared screwing around with my CNC no not knowing anything about syntec I'm planning on running Mosaic software for kitchens. The manufacturer is badicly useless. Thanks

[Frankmali17]

I'm going to say this from firsthand experience... (keep in mind, I built my first machine and used Mach3)

Syntec works pretty well.. and is not relying on a windows or other PC to run the machine. It has PLC logic.. and actually can work well.
It seems that it can be configured in an infinite number of ways... but noone documents anything.

SYNTEC support is non-existent. The manufacturer of SYNTEC doesn't respond. ... they expect the people that sold you the machine to do that.
But that is like hoping your FORD salesman being to help you down the road...
I am currently studying and diggin for information... and hoping to find answers...

It looks like we are on our own with these controllers.

I am considering changing to a different controller.. but that is a major setback.. and will require me to be the engineer.

Patriot, you need a small machine to play with/crash/etc... and an entry level software to play with.. and try cutting.
This is not something where you will just make cabinets with Mozaik... I have the software. That's a learning curve of it's own.

Let us know of your status/progress

[gfacer2]

Hey Patrioteood I guess I missed this. If you want to chat send me a pm and I'll send you a number. Certainly can walk you though some stuff - though a lot is on here. Did you actually get it inspected for CSA on arrival. Be interesting to know what that entailed. Graham

[Frankmali17]

Hey Guys,
We started a new thread called Taiwan - Syntec 6MA & 6MB discussion.

It will be a place for us to share Syntec info/experiences.

If anyone has some macros or ladder files they would like to share.. it would be quite appreciated.

[Frankmali17]

Hello SYNTEC USERS ! :wave: I NEED YOUR HELP!

If you have a SYNTEC Controlled machine, weather 6MB or 6MA, I need your help.

As you all know by now, the support or documentation is very poor at best.

I have been working for quite some time, to compile data, Collect any documentation, etc...
I have also been Analyzing MACROs and their syntax, as Well as the PLC Ladder Structure, and Syntec operations.
I have been working on identifying common inputs/outputs, C-bit, S-Bits, etc... and their DEFINITIONS

This is exhaustive work.. but will allow for significant upgrades, expansions, or even corrections to SYNTEC Machines.

I NEED YOUR HELP! :wave:

If you could please share your SYNTEC BACKUP with me...
I'm looking to see other examples of MACROS, Parameter setups, And "ladder.cnc" Files.
Some of you will know exactly what I'm talking about.. and others.. : Just do a backup of your system.. through the typical system maintnance screen... onto a flash drive.

THANK YOU IN ADVANCE, EVERYONE. :cheers:

Maybe SHARE this on the newer Forum Thread.. It's called "Taiwan - Syntec 6MA & 6MB discussion"
Searching: "Syntec" will also make it easy to find.

[djcregan]

Hi
I’m happy to share my backups, I have two 1325 omnis on syntec 6mb, pm me if you wish . The older machine is now 2.5 yrs old and it’s been superb, running 10 hrs a day every day. However just now there’s a fault evolving when the machine just stops in the middle of a file, never the same place. Has anyone had this experience could it be a power supply issue ?
Any advice as always is highly appreciated


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[gfacer2]

Hi
I’m happy to share my backups, I have two 1325 omnis on syntec 6mb, pm me if you wish . The older machine is now 2.5 yrs old and it’s been superb, running 10 hrs a day every day. However just now there’s a fault evolving when the machine just stops in the middle of a file, never the same place. Has anyone had this experience could it be a power supply issue ?
Any advice as always is highly appreciated


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How to you restart? Or is it more of a crash?

I had some issues where my compressor (and maybe combined with the Omni air pressure sensor) was just a little too low at the low end of its cycle. That would trip the air pressure alert, which stops the machine (spindle on) in place. Hitting cycle start resumes the program. If the gap in air pressure is a lot and you are watching, you can catch it but often you can't because the error disappears once the pressure returns. Also it (syntec control) doesn't seem to check all the time so its got to check at the same time that the pressure is low. I don't know how often the check cycle is but its not every time the pressure dips for sure.

Not sure if that is your issue but maybe?

[dunderdunder]

Hi
I’m happy to share my backups, I have two 1325 omnis on syntec 6mb, pm me if you wish . The older machine is now 2.5 yrs old and it’s been superb, running 10 hrs a day every day. However just now there’s a fault evolving when the machine just stops in the middle of a file, never the same place. Has anyone had this experience could it be a power supply issue ?
Any advice as always is highly appreciated


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I had a problem with the tool change on one of my routers. Suddenly it did not change tool in some of my programs, but not all. It was a cable for the tool changer position that was broken. When the cable was bent it lost contact and when the cable was straight it had contact. Strange fault to find but yours can be similar, but with a different cable. Look in the history of alarms and look at all alarms, there can be some info since all alarms is not shown in the “main” screen.

[yagout07]

hi lee how are you you doing a good job thanks
i want to ask you for the syntec post processor for aspire
my syntec is ez3
many thanks

[SyntecEngineer]

I would recommend just using a Fanuc 0M post for it.

The only change would be G20 to G70 and G21 to G71. (inch/metric switch).

Other than that Syntec does follow that same standards so most posts from major brands are compatible.

[yagout07]

many thanks for your time to repply
i have a atc 1530 hsd spindle with servo system and syntec ez3
it dosent work properly
in the cutting it leaves a roughing material
and dosent give a good 3d work
the relief is bad
can any one help please
many thanks in advance
hacene