I disagree. CNC machine sure I would only go Okuma Mori, maybe Mazak or Daewoo. But manual machines are old technology, it's simple to copy and not lessen money but lessen manufacturing costs. There's no R&D in it. Why pay 20,000 for the same thing my neighbor paid 5,000 for and there is no difference in the parts we produce. Making decisions like that would put me out of business quick. I'll pay big money for technology and a strong distributor but manual machines don't have either of those to consider. Now if you try one and find it to be a bad idea, then that's what I want to know. I don't want your opinion I want your knowledge, sorry but I would prefer someone who owns them and dislikes them to let me know. I could listen to people all day tell me they don't like Ford or Chevy and have never bought one before.