[deadlykitten]

Hello, OSP/computer takes too much time to detect memory stick ... and displayes the option to "scan the device"

can it just work ? and nothing else ?

[Superman]

er....that's the anti-virus check

You do NOT want anything to corrupt windows
- which in turn, makes your machine useless

[deadlykitten]

on the older lathe works almost instantly ... also with antivirus

there is something, because delay is >60 seconds ...

[Superman]

Hello, OSP/computer takes too much time to detect memory stick ... and displayes the option to "scan the device"

can it just work ? and nothing else ?

So... are you saying it is NOT working ??

What are the differences between the 2 machines ? Win (version), antivirus (maker, version, & antiviral data base)
- scan level is set to ? ( all files, or just selected types)
- how much data is on the USB stick ? ( this & previous line would affect scan time )

When both machines are set identical, then you would be comparing apples with apples

anyway, why are you using memory sticks ?
- why not network them ?
--- file transfers would be instantaneous
--- can be called or sent from the machine, or the PC


You seem to be trying to save only 1 minute,
- I'd be looking at saving time in other areas, like setups, better programmed toolpaths, maintenance etc
( these areas are where you really NEED to concentrate on saving time )

[deadlykitten]

windows 7 - Any tips or tricks to hasten USB device detection and initialisation? - Super User

meow ... 2 seconds

[deadlykitten]

You seem to be trying to save only 1 minute,
- I'd be looking at saving time in other areas, like setups, better programmed toolpaths, maintenance etc
( these areas are where you really NEED to concentrate on saving time )

yes master ! agree

[tea hole]

But if you're day consists of bringing programs to the machine 20 times, or pulling them from the machine over and over, 1 minute is, what, $2. So if you can save 58 seconds per, that's money.

Heard a joke about the budget and economy in California during the depths of the real estate bubble trouble:
A billion dollars here, a billion dollars there, eventually we start talking about real money.

Time saved is money earned. Regardless of where it comes from.

[Superman]

But if you're day consists of bringing programs to the machine 20 times, or pulling them from the machine over and over, 1 minute is, what, $2. So if you can save 58 seconds per, that's money.
Time saved is money earned. Regardless of where it comes from.

I agree,

but I'd look towards saving in larger amounts, say 1-2 hrs per setup & prove outs ,,,,on every job before trying to save a 58sec time.......
- If I was in production ( m/c running 24/7), a saving of 1 or 2 seconds per tool operation does add up to big $$$ over a year, where a concern for 1 minute loss on odd occasions, is basically, pretty insignificant

( why it can't be inserted while the machine is in-cycle....then there is no real m/c downtime wasted )
( if you have to do it 10-20 times per job.... get a different programmer )

I'll say it again
---- why is it not networked ?, ( floppies & their drives do work for a while, but a jobbing environment tends to kill those items, what is "Kindly" going to do when the USB drive breaks ( or stops working ) ??

[deadlykitten]

also network is good, i use teamviewer .... but going to machine, starting team viewer there, coming back ...

i don't say that i don't need sport

i would like to be conected to all machines all the time ... should i create a local network ? it would be nice to open my windows explorer, and see there all the HDD's from the cnc's

[Superman]

i would like to be conected to all machines all the time ... should i create a local network ? it would be nice to open my windows explorer, and see there all the HDD's from the cnc's

I seem to remember that you are networked to one particular folder on the m/c's HDD.
- the operator knows that any program taken from that location is typically "UNPROVEN", and care must be taken for these files
- the entire HDD should NOT be available/seen on the network as "sticky fingers" could make a dead machine, plus it limits foreign files( viruses etc) from being run

- the operator has access the central location that would be used to store files that proven, for repeated runs

so it is not a "normal" network setup, as full access is not needed

[deadlykitten]

...

hy, you are right ... i should consider only some folders, not entire HDD

[tea hole]

I agree,

but I'd look towards saving in larger amounts, say 1-2 hrs per setup & prove outs ,,,,on every job before trying to save a 58sec time.......
- If I was in production ( m/c running 24/7), a saving of 1 or 2 seconds per tool operation does add up to big $$$ over a year, where a concern for 1 minute loss on odd occasions, is basically, pretty insignificant

( why it can't be inserted while the machine is in-cycle....then there is no real m/c downtime wasted )
( if you have to do it 10-20 times per job.... get a different programmer )

I'll say it again
---- why is it not networked ?, ( floppies & their drives do work for a while, but a jobbing environment tends to kill those items, what is "Kindly" going to do when the USB drive breaks ( or stops working ) ??

First, you are assuming that the programs running for 1 to 2 hours.
I don't disagree that machines need to be network to save time. However, that is not always an option.
The other possibility is that he is pulling data from the machine, not transferring programs.
This may also be one of those annoyances that just has to be fixed. Itch that needs to be scratched
I'm not saying that you're wrong. I'm just saying neither is he.

[broby]

also network is good, i use teamviewer .... but going to machine, starting team viewer there, coming back ...

should i create a local network ? it would be nice to open my windows explorer, and see there all the HDD's from the cnc's

Seems like you already have a network connection to the machine... otherwise how are you using Teamviewer?
If you "Share:" a folder on your drive, can you then see that drive on your network, or don't you have any network in your establishment yet?
Seems like you need a network person to come and take a look at your setup. It would be far cheaper and a far better solution in the end than going through all this back and forth.

[Superman]

First, you are assuming that the programs running for 1 to 2 hours.
.....The other possibility is that he is pulling data from the machine, not transferring programs. .

I never said that programs run for that long.... I said "setups & prove outs"
( this is more targeted to mills & multi-function machines )

I can understand the "niggling itch" issue (USB)
- but if I was an employer, I'd be making damn sure that dollars were being saved consistently, before considering the cents

It is a matter of priority
- which one would give a bigger profit margin ?
- which one could be ignored or absorbed by the profit margin ( until a better diagnosis & fix applied ? )

I don't think networking allows you into the machine workings to extract data, later machines may
Use of MACMAN could, but never used this option other than at the machine control
When I worked Okumas, I think I read that Macman could give live info on it's performance ie cycle time, idle time, spindle run, part count, averages etc and put them into a sort of readable form on the boss's PC

[deadlykitten]

i would like to be conected to all machines all the time ... should i create a local network ? it would be nice to open my windows explorer, and see there all the HDD's from the cnc's

... at the begining i was running all day with my flash memory, between my PC and machines
... after i used team-viewer, and it was better
... from yesterday; i am connected with cnc's over a local network, and i have shared only AD0 and MD1 folders from each machine

[deadlykitten]

if I was an employer

are u a policeman ?

[deadlykitten]

... at the begining i was running all day with my flash memory, between my PC and machines
... after i used team-viewer, and it was better
... from yesterday; i am connected with cnc's over a local network, and i have shared only AD0 and MD1 folders from each machine

updating a program through the network is pretty fast

a few seconds ago the operator told me something, i opened *.ssb inside my pc, i just edit a value, and after i send the entire program to the cnc ( image 1 )

at the end of the day, i backup data from my pc, on a stick, through a sync program ( image 2 ), and after i back up data @ home so, if my pc from home and the one from here will get out of order, i will still have the stick with all on it in case i lose the stick, i will have only memories

i organize what i do inside 3 folders, with lots of subfolders, and they are synced automatically all at once

i posted this because the sync program just got better : FreeFileSync - Free Backup and File Synchronization Software
i don't read whatever the guys that are developing it are saying when updating, but i can say that from version 8.6 i received no more errors

ps : now my only concern is programing speed, which i don't have, since lot of code i write manual

[deadlykitten]

hello syncronizing cnc's with a local computer by using a network, considering cnc's as terminals and the computer as a core, is ok, until the computer fails

thus data from the pc must be backed up :
... so far i syncronized pc from work with my pc from home, thus another location, by using a flash memory ( offline )
... another method is to think of drop boxes, thus hosting memory on whatever sites / servers ( online )

"online" backup makes data available almost anywhere, if you are comfortable with storing data "online", thus you don't care about virtual security

"offline" syncro is much faster and not dependant on an internet conection
however, there is "data" which is not allowed to go "online", so, on this case, "offline syncro" is a must

problem with "offline" is when devices break or are not compatible cross platforms : this is exactly what happend 2 me : usb stick and main computer got screwed, and most of newer usb sticks are not compatible with windows XP ( runing on some OSP300)

i still don't worry, because i have data backed up in 2 separate physical places, but the link between them is broke

i will fix this, no big worries, but prevention is the best

this remind me of drug dealers, looking for old school mobile phones, so to avoid gps tracking on newer ones

[broby]

What can I say... Backup Backup Backup!
If you have Backups then really at the end of the day, if a PC dies, the most amount of inconvenience is waiting for a replacement one to turn up.
USB's are ok for Offline storage, but they are NOT rated for long term storage.
Not even sure why you are using sneaker net technology for OSP300 controllers when they have networking built in.
Like I have already said previously, sounds like you need a network person to sort out your comms needs.

[deadlykitten]

If you have Backups then really at the end of the day, if a PC dies, the most amount of inconvenience is waiting for a replacement one to turn up

hy Broby exactly ...

... how fast can you make another pc to deliver same thing as the one that break at the moment that it breaked ? just like nothing happended ?
... what if the 2nd fails when you try to start it up ?
... and i don't ask for theoretical answers, but for real back-up solutions

USB's are ok for Offline storage, but they are NOT rated for long term storage

About this, someone told me yesterday that i should print on paper all the programs that i have just in case ... at his previous working place, an electrical problem put out some computers inside programing departement, and some data got lost, so the guys started printing "stuff"

Not even sure why you are using sneaker net technology for OSP300 controllers when they have networking built in

this is how i back up things : [ cnc ] > network > [ pc ] > usb > [ other devices ]

data is syncronized between [ pc ] and [ other devices ]

at this moment [ pc ] and [ 2 devices ] from work are broked ; i have no worries, because i still have 2 devices functional, but maybe my dog will eat them is a joke, but ...