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    Tool path not displaying design in the correct position

    Hi all,
    Needs some help I have a small hobby mill from open builds running Mach 3, G540, ESS. I down loaded Vectric Aspire demo to design a dust boot, finished the design and find out you can't save the G-code. So I send off a DFX of the design to a friend that does pearl inlay with Vectric to save the design to Mach2/3 arcs.txt, He sent it back to me and loaded it up. Heres the problem all the dust boot plates show up the material on the top right hand side (picture attached). I have reinstalled Mach 3 and tried setting IJ to incremental in General settings. the design should be in the centre of a 220mm x 150mm 10mm work piece of acrylic. Every thing shows in the right place in Aspire is there something I am not doing in the design side that would cause this. I am also trying to to learn Fusion 360 but I drowning on the CAM side and was told by mate to try Vectric software which is great to use. Appreciate any help.
    Cheers
    Peter

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    Re: Tool path not displaying design in the correct position

    Did you set zero And then move the head? The plot will move the picture in relation to the head. Try setting zero then load the gcode without moving the head out of the way
    Dave
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    Re: Tool path not displaying design in the correct position

    Hi Beone I ref all home then move to work area probed then zeroed X and Y then regen tool path and didn't move head from there. As this 10mm acrylic here in Aussie land is $49.00 for 2' X 1' piece don't want it go wrong. Can test on mdf but I need to be able to flip the parts in the work area and have dowels for work piece position.
    Peter


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    Re: Tool path not displaying design in the correct position

    Quote Originally Posted by Neptunes View Post
    Hi all,
    Needs some help I have a small hobby mill from open builds running Mach 3, G540, ESS. I down loaded Vectric Aspire demo to design a dust boot, finished the design and find out you can't save the G-code. So I send off a DFX of the design to a friend that does pearl inlay with Vectric to save the design to Mach2/3 arcs.txt, He sent it back to me and loaded it up. Heres the problem all the dust boot plates show up the material on the top right hand side (picture attached). I have reinstalled Mach 3 and tried setting IJ to incremental in General settings. the design should be in the centre of a 220mm x 150mm 10mm work piece of acrylic. Every thing shows in the right place in Aspire is there something I am not doing in the design side that would cause this. I am also trying to to learn Fusion 360 but I drowning on the CAM side and was told by mate to try Vectric software which is great to use. Appreciate any help.
    Cheers
    Peter
    You need your I/J settings to look like this, check were you part 0.0 is in your drawing
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    Re: Tool path not displaying design in the correct position

    Quote Originally Posted by mactec54 View Post
    You need your I/J settings to look like this, check were you part 0.0 is in your drawing
    Hi Mactec54, thats how I have it setup IJ mode Inc and Distance Mode Absolute. I have zero set up on the bottom left the picture I posted.
    Peter

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    Re: Tool path not displaying design in the correct position

    Quote Originally Posted by Neptunes View Post
    Hi Mactec54, thats how I have it setup IJ mode Inc and Distance Mode Absolute. I have zero set up on the bottom left the picture I posted.
    Peter
    So your Drawing 0.0 is the same as you machine setup 0.0, if this is correct, then there is a problem with your drawing, or how the code has been processed

    Post your DXF file and what size cutter you are using and I will take a look at it
    Mactec54

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    Re: Tool path not displaying design in the correct position

    Quote Originally Posted by mactec54 View Post
    So your Drawing 0.0 is the same as you machine setup 0.0, if this is correct, then there is a problem with your drawing, or how the code has been processed
    Yes thats the deal so far I am currently going through the tutorial of the sample file for Aspire to save the G-code and load it up ind see if my drawing. I will post the DFX, do you want the whole design or just part as its made up of 4 parts ? Thanks for your help mactec54.
    Peter

    Hi I have attached the outer rim design for my dust boot as DXF file, The size of the cutter is Amana tool 1/8th single flute spiral Plastic cutter 1/4 shank 51411 let me now if you need more.
    Peter

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    Re: Tool path not displaying design in the correct position

    Hi all,
    Well I managed to design a simple plate for my dust extractor in Fusion 360 and save a toolpath for Mach 3. This to is showing in Mach 3 Toolpath in the top right corner of the the work material instead of being just off centre. I have attached the G-code and a screen capture of what it looks like in Mach 3. So thats aspire and Fusion doing it and I am trying to get one from Meshcam demo as well. This is doing my head in need to get cutting but this has me stumped
    I f some could load this G-code up and check the position on work piece for me. The work piece is X 205mm Y 225 Z 33mm. There is most likely mistakes in regards to tool choice but I am still learning.
    Cheers
    Peter
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    Re: Tool path not displaying design in the correct position

    Looks the same here, so I would say your issue is with Aspire and Fusion 360.
    Center is roughly 106,131
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    Re: Tool path not displaying design in the correct position

    Thank ger21 for checking I just did the same dxf in meshcam to and same result . Any ideas were to start looking ?


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    Re: Tool path not displaying design in the correct position

    Looking at your other .dxf, the toolpaths coordinates match the .dxf coordinates. You need to move the .dxf to where you want it. Either in the CAD program that it was drawn in, or in the CAM program before you create toolpaths.

    Or, in Mach3, just zero your X and Y axis to position the part where you want it to be.
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    Re: Tool path not displaying design in the correct position

    Neptunes

    Ok found some time to look at your part the drawing is really messed up,this is what it looks like when I open it, Note where the X0Y0 is, this is part of your problem

    You have lots of lines when they should've just been arc's, I will redraw it, where do you want the X0 Y0 to be, and what is the Radius of the smaller end of the plate
    Mactec54

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    Re: Tool path not displaying design in the correct position

    Hi mactec54 thanks for checking out the dxf. The radius of the smaller end plate is 42mm and the X0Y0 is ment to be bottom left. The work material is meant to be 220X and 150Y and Z10 mm with the design centred 75mm x 110mm. Not sure why there is open vectors as I used the join all open vectors, I thought that is meant to make it all one piece. Cheers mate thank you again
    Peter


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    Re: Tool path not displaying design in the correct position

    Neptunes

    See how this looks you should be able to make your tool path with the DXF file
    Mactec54

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    Re: Tool path not displaying design in the correct position

    Wow that's great mactec54 will load it up after I pick up my son from school what do you use for cad/cam if I may ask.
    Thanks
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    Re: Tool path not displaying design in the correct position

    Quote Originally Posted by Neptunes View Post
    Wow that's great mactec54 will load it up after I pick up my son from school what do you use for cad/cam if I may ask.
    Thanks
    Peter
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    Re: Tool path not displaying design in the correct position

    Hey all, no luck with the DXF Mactec54 sent me. Tried 3 different cam programs Bobcat, Artcam, etc, and all the same result as the last picture I posted, design is in the top right corner. I have attached the G-code from one of the cam programs. Also I have attached my XML incase its something I have screwed up in Mach 3 settings.
    Cheers
    Peter

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    Re: Tool path not displaying design in the correct position

    As I said in a previous post:
    You need to move the .dxf to where you want it. Either in the CAD program that it was drawn in, or in the CAM program before you create toolpaths.

    Or, in Mach3, just zero your X and Y axis to position the part where you want it to be.
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    Re: Tool path not displaying design in the correct position

    Hey Ger21 that's what I attempted to do centre of the 220 X 150 work area not sure what I am doing wrong, more research on the way.


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    Re: Tool path not displaying design in the correct position

    the design should be in the centre of a 220mm x 150mm 10mm work piece of acrylic
    I believe that it is.......
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