[MFchief]

Hi all,

NOT looking to start any kind of political discussion or rants, but I have seen discussion on other boards on this subject.

It appears that on the lists of Chinese goods that would have tariff's applied are machine tools, specifically CNC tools.

I only mention it because if there is anyone on the point of a decision about buying a new Tormach, it would seem that sooner would be better than later.

Terry

[MetalShavings]

On equipment like the Tormach and many other types of machinery, inevitably prices go up regardless of tariff or no tariffs. The general opposite of that is pricing going down with a corresponding drop in quality. Even when such a tariff doesn't directly effect some more unscrupulous companies, they will most likely take advantage of the opportunity to raise prices if they deem it plausible that their target market will believe that it's due to the tariffs. I think that tormach relies heavily on alot of Chinese made components. If you study economics, in the long run it may actually help stabilize the prices overall with a slim chance of even bringing the prices down. It all depends on who you believe. I already own one so, I think I'm good for now.

To make a worse case scenario turn out for the better, maybe now Tormach should have an incentive to start making more of their own components. IF the tariffs work as intended and "Fair" trade is eventually reached, the prices of most things effected by the tariffs will have still gone up; maybe just not as quickly or sharply as many had hoped they wouldn't.

HollowPoint

[tmarks11]

On equipment like the Tormach and many other types of machinery, inevitably prices go up regardless of tariff or no tariffs

Tormach has been amazingly constant in pricing over the past 4+ years. But standby for that to all change in a heartbeat.

[mountaindew]

Tormach has been amazingly constant in pricing over the past 4+ years. But standby for that to all change in a heartbeat.

Maybe they have a way around it. "wink"
If I remember my crate said "Designed in America and made in China"

[instructor37]

Tariffs on CNC tools will be 25%, up from 4.7% currently, so that will have a significant impact on all the suppliers on this forum. Ironically it will help HAAS machine tools whose owner Gene Haas spent a year in jail over a dispute with the IRS. It's a gamble for people in the business whether they should spend all available cash now to buy inventory before the tariff or wait and hope the US and China come to some reasonable agreement.

[Steve Seebold]

I have a PCNC 1100 with full enclosure, power drawbar, foot pedal, 17 inch monitor, control computer running Mach III and an 8 inch 4th axis and I still have less than $20,000.00 in it.

When I had my shop, I had a Haas TM-1 with tool changer and 5C 4th axis and I had over $35,000.00 in that.

If I had to pay $25,000.00 for a Tormach, I think I’d bite the bullet and buy a Haas.

Yes, the Haas has more X and Y axis travel but I didn’t need the extra travel because if I can’t hold a half dozen parts in one hand, they’re too big for me.

[instructor37]

I have a PCNC 1100 with full enclosure, power drawbar, foot pedal, 17 inch monitor, control computer running Mach III and an 8 inch 4th axis and I still have less than $20,000.00 in it.

When I had my shop, I had a Haas TM-1 with tool changer and 5C 4th axis and I had over $35,000.00 in that.

If I had to pay $25,000.00 for a Tormach, I think I’d bite the bullet and buy a Haas.

Yes, the Haas has more X and Y axis travel but I didn’t need the extra travel because if I can’t hold a half dozen parts in one hand, they’re too big for me.

Yes, and a 20% increase in landed cost does not mean only a 20% increase in retail- the business will factor in its profit margins etc. and probably raise prices by 25%. This is where flexibility becomes important, a company with a large fixed overhead and that uses bank loans to buy inventory is hog tied- a small company with low overhead and uses its own cash to buy inventory can often simply absorb the extra costs to maintain low prices and benefit from increased sales volume as its competitors raise prices.

[CadRhino]

I have a PCNC 1100 with full enclosure, power drawbar, foot pedal, 17 inch monitor, control computer running Mach III and an 8 inch 4th axis and I still have less than $20,000.00 in it.

When I had my shop, I had a Haas TM-1 with tool changer and 5C 4th axis and I had over $35,000.00 in that.

If I had to pay $25,000.00 for a Tormach, I think I’d bite the bullet and buy a Haas.

Yes, the Haas has more X and Y axis travel but I didn’t need the extra travel because if I can’t hold a half dozen parts in one hand, they’re too big for me.

How is your new VF-3, STEVE?

[Don Clement]

I paid 24.4% more for the same American made cast aluminum tooling plate bought after tariffs were announced than the week before. Don't believe tariffs are only going to only affect foreign made products. Everything made from metal will be more expensive now.

[daniellyall]

Tormach is moving to canada

[kstrauss]

Wonderful! There is ample vacant industrial space near my shop!

[popspipes]

Tariffs equal jobs, in my book thats a good thing.......

[MetalShavings]

Tariffs equal jobs, in my book thats a good thing.......

Tariffs can and do equal alot of positive things but over time we've been conditioned to expect the worse. To console ourselves we'll convince one another that we're hoping for the best but positioning ourselves to weather the worst of it; which, in and of itself is not an unwise thing to do; from a business stand point.

Not being privy to all the details that went into imposing such tariffs it's no wonder we generally will drift into worse case scenarios. Sure, prices will most likely go up. They will have gone up anyway, with or without tariffs but, over the long haul and when looked at from the "Big-Picture" perspective, such a tariff as the one laid out by this particular administration (if carried out as intended) should have a stabilizing effect across the board. It's the fear-mongering that may cause such a tariff falter. And those who are hard at work spinning the fear mongering angle are generally those who stand to loose the most from the gravy train they've been riding.

MetalShavings