[Mike Stevenson]

I meant longevity. The whole global warming thing is a myth. We do not have the capability of monitoring all the variables. We don't even know what all the variables are. The Earth, Life and Death, Weather, Cancer? Sorry not man's realm yet. Man only guesses at these subjects. We know a little but not a lot.

[Bill Johns]

Global warming = evil world teaching to control all and remove all freedoms from everyone.

[Prosper]

Well, I think there are more problems to worry about than Global warming..
Read this!!
http://www.theamericannightmare.org/...E__K-K_SS.html

That will keep all entertained for weeks to come!!

[ynneb]

Well, I think there are more problems to worry about than Global warming..
Read this!!
http://www.theamericannightmare.org/...E__K-K_SS.html

That will keep all entertained for weeks to come!!

Prosper, I suggest you read this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timelin...stian_Prophecy

[Prosper]

Well, I was not really into the "Christian" prophecy but the fact that there is a fire burning below ground.....

[ynneb]

You mean like the molten lava deep in all the earth?

[fizzissist]

...molten lava deep withing the earth, seeping through the mantle in vast unknown quantities in the sea floor...warming oceans (and land, as in Kilimanjaro) to degrees we can't calculate...

Lava creating superheated vent water, heating cirmcumpolar currents along sea floor faults.....or just making islands in the sun..

http://hvo.wr.usgs.gov/volcanowatch/2001/01_06_14.html

Lotsa heat happenin'.

[rancherbill]

...molten lava deep withing the earth, seeping through the mantle in vast unknown quantities in the sea floor...warming oceans (and land, as in Kilimanjaro) to degrees we can't calculate...

Lava creating superheated vent water, heating cirmcumpolar currents along sea floor faults.....or just making islands in the sun..

http://hvo.wr.usgs.gov/volcanowatch/2001/01_06_14.html

Lotsa heat happenin'.

Interesting!

Is there any thoughts/theories that undersea volcanism is responsible for GW, ocean currents, ocean warming etc?

[Geof]

Interesting!

Is there any thoughts/theories that undersea volcanism is responsible for GW, ocean currents, ocean warming etc?

Probably not on a wide spread basis, after all the Earth's heat has always been here and the total is certainly not increasing.

However, you might have seen alarmist stories about regions of the West Antartic ice sheet moving faster 'due to Global Warming'; it is possible this accelerated movement has been caused by localized volcanic activity under the ice.

Similar rapid glacier movement occurs in Iceland on the big ice cap in the southern region, Vatnajokull (or something like that). There are numerous volcanoes under this ice cap and when they burp dramatic things happen, like enormous floods down the rivers. I splurged on a trip to Iceland ten years ago and went hiking up this ice field; it is really neat being at 7000 feet hiking across a glacier and coming across boiling mud pools, geysers and a volcanic crate gurgling and steaming right there at your feet.

[RICHARD ZASTROW]

Do you suppose Al Gore would like to purchase my carbon credits? My time on this heated ball is limited and I'd like to buy some cold beer before it gets too warm. lol

Dick Z

[fizzissist]

When we hear the hoopla about Gorebull Warming, and the ice around Antarctica crumbling into the sea, we seldom if ever hear about the volcanic influence...and there is some real serious influence.

http://vulcan.wr.usgs.gov/Volcanoes/...volcanoes.html

Draw a crude line from the upper volcanoes to the lower ones....then look at this temperature profile....

http://rst.gsfc.nasa.gov/Sect16/anta...H1982-2004.jpg

Gee, I wonder if there's any significant effect on polar water temp profiles...

[jcoats]

No matter what people think, like life, change happens.

It will change whether we are here or not. We MIGHT help or hinder the rate of change a bit, but we cannot stop it. We do not have the power or united determination to do much in any direction. ... Most folk consider killing others a 'bad thing'. We keep doing that, both on an individual and collective basis (murder, wars, poor driving 'habits', etc).

In the '60s and '70s the big thing was the 'coming ice age', now under 50 years later we are 'global warming' as our doom and gloom. I heard that things have been getting COOLER since 2000, so we are headed for another ice age. ... Whatever pundants say, they are wrong, and they are right. But it doesn't matter what they say.

Which set of extremist wacko's is right? Both? ...

Now my philosophy... This and $10US can get you a cup of coffee most places...

Do right as best you can as you see it,
for yourself and others. Whether anyone is looking or not.

If you learn what you have said/done is wrong, change your ways.

To quote a salutation from an old Star Trek: Live long and prosper.

[Chad G]

I love global warming, if it wasn't for that Arizona would be one hot sonofagun. I don't know if we had any days in July where it really hit more than 115 degrees, August weather has yet to become a problem its only the 1st so we'll see what comes.

[Protronie]

I love global warming, if it wasn't for that Arizona would be one hot sonofagun. I don't know if we had any days in July where it really hit more than 115 degrees, August weather has yet to become a problem its only the 1st so we'll see what comes.

MMM 115 degrees, nice
Remind me of my days paving roads in the summer.
Course I tend to get cranky when it hit 135 degrees. Boots tend to melt down too.

[dalts]

Im living on the side of one of them and this dude is fuming and put out red stuff a plenty. Can't figure if it worth trying to load my Victor 18-50 dcl of just give it to Madam Pele as a offering
Aloha
dalts Keaau, Big Island

[JetGirl]

um.....define: Like it. please, im confused.

[sdantonio]

I saw an interesting note on the news a few days ago.

The "Old Farmers Almanac" is a publication available annually. One section talks about short term (yearly) and long tern (decades) weather trends. These trends are based on such scientific principles as (1) the bushiness of squirrel's tails, (2) the side of the tree a bear rubs his butt on, and (3) which direction the moss is pointing, etc.

To make a long story short, they (and their reviewers) claim a better than 90% accuracy and they said "forget global warming, prepare for a 50 year period of global cooling".

[NinerSevenTango]

I saw an interesting note on the news a few days ago.

The "Old Farmers Almanac" is a publication available annually. One section talks about short term (yearly) and long tern (decades) weather trends. These trends are based on such scientific principles as (1) the bushiness of squirrel's tails, (2) the side of the tree a bear rubs his butt on, and (3) which direction the moss is pointing, etc.

To make a long story short, they (and their reviewers) claim a better than 90% accuracy and they said "forget global warming, prepare for a 50 year period of global cooling".

The solar cycle has predicted this too, and predictably, the globe has been cooling. It has given up all the temperature increase gained during the last cycle already, and it might give up a lot more.

The problem is likely to be not global warming, but trying not to freeze to death or starve due to crop failure.

Interesting that the propaganda about destroying our standard of living gets turned down when our entire economy is collapsing anyway.

[Mariss Freimanis]

I have been watching the blood-bath unfold regarding the DOW. Seven successive days with major losses with no seeming end in sight. A total collapse from 10,000 to 8,600 this week and probably worse to follow tomorrow. Nothing in it for me because our investments are elsewhere but it's still breathtaking to watch.

I have belive there is an ill wind blowing. Our 30 years of boom economy may be succumbing to one heck of a recession because it has been held off for so long. The very Devil will have to be paid before it's over. The natural cycle was 5 years boom, 2 years bust. Easily 4 of those cycles would have fit in the last 30 years. Easy pain before, hard pain now to cover what got missed.

I organized a meeting today for what's coming and how to deal with it. The "hobby" segment will totally dry up because it's discretionary spending and there won't be any of that as I see it. Our emphasis will be towards the OEM market to exploit the inevitable cost-cutting that will ensue. Businesses will get much harder than it has before in the coming months.

This is the "Alternate Energy, Global Warming" forum. Good luck. When people are laid off and have no jobs, just think of how much they will care about that crap. For what's coming, my pulse says it's bad, very bad. Bad enough that we had a major meeting today with how we will deal with it. Put your raincoats on, bad weather is coming.

Mariss

[Geof]

I have been watching the blood-bath unfold regarding the DOW... Nothing in it for me because our investments are elsewhere but it's still breathtaking to watch.

I have belive there is an ill wind blowing. Our 30 years of boom economy may be succumbing to one heck of a recession because it has been held off for so long.....

I organized a meeting today for what's coming and how to deal with it... Businesses will get much harder than it has before in the coming months.

Mariss

Its is a damn sight more than breathtaking when you have money tied up in an English bank that is teetering; fortunately we can wait it out.

Yep we are getting recession x three or four because small corrections were not permitted to occur periodically. Or is it going to be recession^3?

I fear business is going to get much harder in the coming years.

Reminds one of the (Chinese?) curse; 'May you live in interesting times'.

Welcome to the interesting times.