[handlewanker]

There are some Australian people that either cannot read, cannot recognize humor, or parody when they see it........ I peeked and he took it serious.....

Hi, would you recognise sarcasm if it jumped up and bit you in the arse?.......I thought it was amusing, but then seeing where it was coming from, realised it was probably the way things go over there.

We don't have guys going around dressed up as Santa Clause.....we also never made kids think that Santa Clause was a real person, which is understandable when you get one in every store promoting the selling of kids' toys.......come to think of it that would also be understandable when the temperature reaches the high 30's deg C and someone has to wear a Santa suit.
Ian.

[handlewanker]

Hi, In case you think I'm just being down on youse for being Yanks, the truth is the world in general thinks the yanks are all weird, so my being hypercritical of your antics is just going with the stream.....there is only one country in the entire World where the phrase "Only in America" fits like a glove, so if you like being weird, then the boot fits perfectly.
Ian.

[jhowelb]

The EU's reputation as a model of environmental responsibility may soon be history. The European Commission wants to forgo ambitious climate protection goals and pave the way for fracking -- jeopardizing Germany's touted energy revolution in the process.

European Commission Move Away from Climate Protection Goals - SPIEGEL ONLINE

[daniel28]

The effects of climate change can be seen and felt all over the world. Typhoons, floods, and earthquakes everywhere. Seriously, we need to be vigilant on what we do to our environment.

[Mariss Freimanis]

Wow! "Typhoons, floods, and earthquakes everywhere." Those things have never happened before in human history! You forgot to mention snowstorms, sub-zero temperatures and that global warming ended 17 years ago.

[fizzissist]

Worse than all that, fish are having a harder time swimming in global warming!!!
(thanks to the brains in Australia for discovering that!!)

Climate craziness of the week: climate change> bigger waves> fish have to swim harder | Watts Up With That?

[Fastest1]

Somebody got a bowl? The end is near. Well maybe for me personally though I am not in a rush to get there. In a geological sense, most likely soon. I will deal with whatever weather in my time and not be penalized or taxed. Thanks

[Fastest1]

I do feel climate change every day. It is usually colder in the morning and then the climate changes and it gets a little bit warmer.

[handlewanker]

Oh woe and a great gnashing of teeth.....the OZ dollar is going down and expected to go as low as 60 cents to the US dollar......wow, Batman that means we can paper the outside toilet again but with OZ dollars over the US dollars we papered it with last year.......that's going to be the most expensive sh!thouse when the dollars(s) rise from the ashes once again.

I think if the Yanks converted all their dollars to OZ dollars they'd make a killing, but they'd have to ask permission from the Chinese first.....LOL......at least we don't have ghost towns like Detroit in our urban sprawl.

The funny thing is the OZ dollar still buys a loaf of bread for $2.50, same as last year when it was at parity with the Yanks', so who's fooling who with the doom and gloom tactics.

One thing's for sure, I ain't gonna do any abroad traveling while the OZ dollar is at give away prices.......it's gonna be Ozzy ice cold beer and BBQ steaks by the pool, same as usual until the weather changes and we put socks on with our thongs.

I feel sorry for all those folks that still buy international.

Funny thing about that, the prices on EBAY are STILL the same as before, and most of the stuff is foreign imports.

How can you get a 50% drop in the dollar value and still pay the same?

Must be new old stock they're running out.
Ian.

[fizzissist]

Mikey Mann.... Ouch.
This is gonna hurt...

Michael Mann Faces Bankruptcy as his Courtroom Climate Capers Collapse

[handlewanker]

So, now that AGW is debunked as being the reason the weather is going to be foul, does that mean the seas won't be rising and making all those island dwellers homeless?

The conclusion is that the term "Environmentally Friendly" now has no meaning at all......we are NOT being unfriendly to the environment with our overpopulation habits or coal burning or car emissions.......one in the eye for the electric car brigade.

Despite the smog that made visability down to 50 metres in Bejing the other day, the Chinese coal burners will now have a clean bill of health as they do not contribute to AGW........ perhaps the air will be difficult to breathe without a smog mask but the weather will once again be splendid.

In actual fact, nothing will come from the Mann debunkall, the climate change scientists will just close ranks around their fallen comrade and it will be business as usual......there's lots of money to be made when you have stupid people in large groups to work on and by all accounts the Suzuki foundation is now to be tarred with the same brush as being the prime source of the income derived by Mann and co.

let us not forget Al Gore and his 100 million or so derived from the same claptrap data as Mann......is he now going to be taken to the cleaners?......he talks with the same forked tongue.

How can you have Michael Mann uncredible and Al Gore incredible, they both spout the same nonsense.........justice needs to be seen to be believed.
Ian.

[dufas]

Greenpeace Co-Founder: 'No Scientific Proof' of Manmade Global Warming

In eye-opening testimony before a Senate subcommittee, the co-founder of the environmental activist group Greenpeace refuted assertions that carbon dioxide emissions from human activity are responsible for global warming.

He also said a warmer temperature would be "far better" than a cooler one.

Patrick Moore, Ph.D., testified before the Senate Environmental and Public Works Committee's Subcommittee on Oversight on Feb. 25.

"There is no scientific proof that human emissions of carbon dioxide are the dominant cause of the minor warming of the Earth's atmosphere over the past 100 years," said Moore, who left Greenpeace in 1986 due to what he called its "sharp turn to the political left."

"The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) states: 'It is extremely likely that human influence has been the dominant cause of the observed warming' since the mid-20th century.

"'Extremely likely' is not a scientific term but rather a judgment, as in a court of law."

Moore, chairman emeritus of Greenspirit Strategies in Vancouver, Canada, also told the subcommittee: "Perhaps the simplest way to expose the fallacy of extreme certainty is to look at the historical record. When modern life evolved over 500 million years ago, CO2 was more than 10 times higher than today, yet life flourished at this time. Then an ice age occurred 450 million years ago when CO2 was 10 times higher than today.

"The fact that we had both higher temperatures and an ice age at a time when CO2 emissions were 10 times higher than they are today fundamentally contradicts the certainty that human-caused CO2 emissions are the main cause of global warming.

"The increase in temperature between 1910 and 1940 was virtually identical to the increase between 1970 and 2000. Yet the IPCC does not attribute the increase from 1910-1940 to 'human influence.' They are clear in their belief that human emissions impact only the increase since the mid-20th century. Why does the IPCC believe that a virtually identical increase in temperature after 1950 is caused mainly by 'human influence,' when it has no explanation for the nearly identical increase from 1910-1940?"

Moore went on to say: "Today, we live in an unusually cold period in the history of life on earth and there is no reason to believe that a warmer climate would be anything but beneficial for humans and the majority of other species. There is ample reason to believe that a sharp cooling of the climate would bring disastrous results for human civilization.

"It is 'extremely likely' that a warmer temperature than today's would be far better than a cooler one."

[dufas]

No need to worry about global warming/climate change any more. We are all doomed........

Civilization to Collapse in a Few Decades: NASA | Austrian Tribune

Civilization to Collapse in a Few Decades: NASA
Submitted by Tim Mayr on Thu, 03/20/2014 - 07:14


A new study by NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center has claimed that only a few decades are left for our current civilization before it collapses. Mathematician Safa Motesharrei of the National Socio-Environmental Synthesis Center wrote a report along with her team of natural and social scientists. The report said that there are fixed numbers of days for modern civilizations, and there is nothing to blame on climate change, or a potential World War III.

They cited five major reasons for the social collapse, comprising of population, climate, water, agriculture and energy. According to the report, within the last 5,000 years, all societal collapses have been a result of the strain placed on the ecological carrying capacity as resources were overstretched. Also, the economic stratification of society into Elites and poor in Masses caused the social collapse.

The flow of resources accessible to Masses is controlled by the 'Elite' population, which in turn allows Elites to accumulate a great amount for themselves. It is more than enough to strain natural resources.

Motesharrei's team is of the firm belief that this will become the cause of societal collapse at the end of civilization.

Technology cannot be the panacea of all problems and civilization is certainly the one that technology will not be able to address. On the contrary, technology has exacerbated the problem. Efficiency of resources use can be improved by technological change, but it also raises per capita resources.

Elites themselves are solution to the problem but they would have to take the imitative to restructure society. "The two key solutions are to reduce economic inequality so as to ensure fairer distribution of resources, and to dramatically reduce resource consumption by relying on less intensive renewable resources and reducing population growth", said Motesharrei.

Studies by KPMG and the UK Government Office of Science have also warned that a perfect storm could be created within 15 years due to the convergence of food, water and energy crisis.

[zappafan1]

Here you are using a computer, which means that you use technology. Technology uses science. Science is theory, research is done to prove or disprove theory. If the research provides evidence that does not match the theory [it happens] the theory has to be modified [if appropriate] or discarded completely. A theory is tested by whether it can predict previously unseen behaviour. Naturally, research is done to look for the predicted behaviour. The theory is confirmed or confounded as a result. Science is an iterative process.
This is briefly how science works.

In this respect, climate science is no different from the science of semiconductors that underpins the electronics in the PC or Mac that you are using.

Climate models are part of this. Climate models are quite different from your expressed opinion.

The fact that models have difficulty in modelling ice-melt is because the mechanisms are still not properly understood. Currently the models underestimate melting by a factor of three or so. If it was merely a matter of a little tweaking here and there, then where would the problem be?

Model modification requires SCIENCE! This is why you are wrong!

Very briefly, climate models calculate the climate by incorporating the known behaviour of the various components of the atmosphere and hydrosphere.

I suggest you read the following, it is an introduction:
RealClimate: Regional Climate Projections

The following includes more information about climate models.
Spencer Weart's "Discovery of Global Warming" (AIP)
http://www.aip.org/history/climate/index.html

All of these lead to peer-reviewed science.

The rest of your post was not worth commenting upon. No substance, just rant. Why not check your facts first!

Facts are exactly the issue here, as most people present "facts" that concur with what they were taught in school (no critical thinking skills are taught anymore), or what he/she believe to be true based on any number of things. The big push of "global Warming" was started by Maurice Strong and Algore. If one is to have a rounded knowledge, then one must take into account the science presented by those who say man made climate change (what normal folk call "weather") is a worldwide hoax. So, I'd suggest a few days of reading at climatedepot.com and sepp.org. Currently there are 31,000 scientists that say it's a hoax.

As far as climate models go, the Hockey Stick idea of Hansen will give the same approximate results if one inputs any random data. Curious to note that only during the past few years has the Sun been taken into account (kind of like not having heat in your home, and the repair guy checks everything but the furnace), and not one major study has taken into account the fact that water vapor and the Sun is the main driver of Earths climate. The believers will hardly discuss it because it negates all of the scare mongering about Co2. The entire issue is caused by those who want to distribute the wealth of successful countries, so "everyone is the same" as far as wealth or income. This can be seen in the NASA article. Can anyone say worldwide Marxism and/or Socialism? Hmmm ... those two principles have caused the deaths of over 100 million people in the last 100 years...... let's do more of that!

If this crap is what NASA is now doing, it's time to de-fund it.

[zappafan1]

Oh woe and a great gnashing of teeth.....the OZ dollar is going down and expected to go as low as 60 cents to the US dollar......wow, Batman that means we can paper the outside toilet again but with OZ dollars over the US dollars we papered it with last year.......that's going to be the most expensive sh!thouse when the dollars(s) rise from the ashes once again.

I think if the Yanks converted all their dollars to OZ dollars they'd make a killing, but they'd have to ask permission from the Chinese first.....LOL......at least we don't have ghost towns like Detroit in our urban sprawl.

The funny thing is the OZ dollar still buys a loaf of bread for $2.50, same as last year when it was at parity with the Yanks', so who's fooling who with the doom and gloom tactics.

One thing's for sure, I ain't gonna do any abroad traveling while the OZ dollar is at give away prices.......it's gonna be Ozzy ice cold beer and BBQ steaks by the pool, same as usual until the weather changes and we put socks on with our thongs.

I feel sorry for all those folks that still buy international.

Funny thing about that, the prices on EBAY are STILL the same as before, and most of the stuff is foreign imports.

How can you get a 50% drop in the dollar value and still pay the same?

Must be new old stock they're running out.
Ian.

Since 1913, with the origins of the (not Federal) Reserve, the value of the dollar has dropped 90% Take into account that the estimated amount of money in the world is $90 Trillion US dollars. Now check the US Debt Clock, and you'll see that the unfunded mandates of Medicare, Social Security and Medicare Part D is $128 Trillion Dollars (that figure estimates the amount going out 30 years). So, that amounts to about $1,111.000 and change per person in the US. How many generations will it take to pay that off? Answer? It can never be paid off. The world as we know it will cease to exist much sooner, and it has nothing to do with the weather. When the US dollar collapses, the world economy will collapse.

[zappafan1]

The effects of climate change can be seen and felt all over the world. Typhoons, floods, and earthquakes everywhere. Seriously, we need to be vigilant on what we do to our environment.

The things you mention haven't increased, on average, in the past 200 years. Mars got hotter during the past few decades, too, as did all of the planets in our Solar System. Those rovers run on fossil fuel?

[zappafan1]

No need to worry about global warming/climate change any more. We are all doomed........

Civilization to Collapse in a Few Decades: NASA | Austrian Tribune

Civilization to Collapse in a Few Decades: NASA
Submitted by Tim Mayr on Thu, 03/20/2014 - 07:14


A new study by NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center has claimed that only a few decades are left for our current civilization before it collapses. Mathematician Safa Motesharrei of the National Socio-Environmental Synthesis Center wrote a report along with her team of natural and social scientists. The report said that there are fixed numbers of days for modern civilizations, and there is nothing to blame on climate change, or a potential World War III.

They cited five major reasons for the social collapse, comprising of population, climate, water, agriculture and energy. According to the report, within the last 5,000 years, all societal collapses have been a result of the strain placed on the ecological carrying capacity as resources were overstretched. Also, the economic stratification of society into Elites and poor in Masses caused the social collapse.

The flow of resources accessible to Masses is controlled by the 'Elite' population, which in turn allows Elites to accumulate a great amount for themselves. It is more than enough to strain natural resources.

Motesharrei's team is of the firm belief that this will become the cause of societal collapse at the end of civilization.

Technology cannot be the panacea of all problems and civilization is certainly the one that technology will not be able to address. On the contrary, technology has exacerbated the problem. Efficiency of resources use can be improved by technological change, but it also raises per capita resources.

Elites themselves are solution to the problem but they would have to take the imitative to restructure society. "The two key solutions are to reduce economic inequality so as to ensure fairer distribution of resources, and to dramatically reduce resource consumption by relying on less intensive renewable resources and reducing population growth", said Motesharrei.

Studies by KPMG and the UK Government Office of Science have also warned that a perfect storm could be created within 15 years due to the convergence of food, water and energy crisis.

Wait..... technology (and evil profit) has been the reason, at least in the US, that air pollution has dropped by 85% since the seventies, yet technology has exacerbated problem? The collapse of Rome was caused by two main things: 1- using Lead as water pipes and 2- making their money worthless using the exact same things that the Democrats are doing right now. Do we learn nothing from history?

[dufas]

Wait..... technology (and evil profit) has been the reason, at least in the US, that air pollution has dropped by 85% since the seventies, yet technology has exacerbated problem? The collapse of Rome was caused by two main things: 1- using Lead as water pipes and 2- making their money worthless using the exact same things that the Democrats are doing right now. Do we learn nothing from history?

To most of the great unwashed, history started when they were born. The schools do not teach history anymore and most are too lazy to educate them selves.

Other main problems causing Rome's collapse was that they destroyed their own economic structure by levying excessive taxes on Rome's businesses/providers in order to fund External armies and their welfare system. Many of the farmers and other providers quit and joined the other citizens in getting welfare which led to a greater tax levied on the remaining farmers/providers. Artisans and craftsmen were already mostly in government employee or edict at this time. Slaves were costly and outnumbered the elite 20 to 1. The military was 90 percent paid mercenaries from other countries. Near the last, 90 percent of Rome's food, goods, and services was bought and paid for from other countries. Rome reached the point that they couldn't even commit more conquests to pay their own way. All this plus the underhanded politics continually weakened Rome to the point that if Rome was ripe for plucking by many of the hoard they were paying to protect them.

Much of this is vaguely familiar to the present day...you are correct, we learn nothing from history......

[jhowelb]

Administrator disallowed posting a photo,

After years as a member this is the last straw, I QUIT!!!

[fizzissist]

Administrator disallowed posting a photo,

After years as a member this is the last straw, I QUIT!!!

..... Musta been a pretty bad photo!