Quote Originally Posted by Larken View Post
Ya.. Steel and almost ever other product they have copied and sell back cheap. Who invented the PC and all the circuit boards that go with it ? .. not china. Who invented Telecom ( nortel technolgy ) ..not china . Who invented all the cnc , arduino , motors , turbo chargers, , clones of honda motorcycles , clones of spindles , ... not china and im sure there are millions more ... Dumping is when products are sold for less than the real cost to build.
I have a friend that went to china to buy machinery. And they told him any price would be ok, because the government kicks in the rest on every sale.



By your graph it looks like China is THE massive dominant player ... and soon to invade and take over Taiwan's production too .. so ?.
My Leadwell V40 VMC is Taiwanese and far superior to any Chinese mill ... but soon they will be property of China. So china will have a Quailty products and a cheap products .. a full line

I'm not here to bash China . They do what they want .. which is what they do . We need to worry about our selves .

With the price of gas skyrocketing and Trucking costs pushing food costs and everything else . I'm just wondering what are peoples predictions of the next few years ?
Your friend is full of Bs it's not like that at all, they saw him coming a mile away doubled the price and told him to make an offer, if he brought the machine, they still made more than what the original price was, this is how they do it you have to know there marketing strategy.

Taiwan does build some good machines, Korea builds machines also that are as good if not better, the casting for your machine came from China and the Control from Japan so nothing special about your machine it just a a basic CNC mill

Some more snips just for you, you hurt their exports they build an even stronger base

China may have headaches to deal with when it comes to the semiconductor space, be the general shortage issues or U.S. sanctions, but that isn't stopping the country from hitting record-high integrated circuit (IC) production figures.

According to the South China Morning Post, China has produced 203.6 billion chips within the first seven months of 2021. That's a 47.3% year-over-year boost compared to the same time in 2020. Just in July, Chinese semiconductor companies managed 31.6 billion units — a new monthly record.

This is all part of China's larger plan to become as technologically independent as possible amid its chipmaking war with the U.S. With over 200 billion units produced and still five months of 2021 to go, it's not hard to see the concerted effort the country is making to cut itself off from relying on the outputs of other nations.

In order to achieve the figures it has, China has had to overcome the general resource limitations at the root of the global semiconductor shortage situation, as well as various sanctions imposed on its companies by the U.S. Said sanctions have played a role in threatening the stability and operational efficiency of various Chinese tech companies, be they Semiconductor Manufacturing International Co. (SMIC), Huawei, or one of the other Chinese businesses finding operating harder thanks to the actions of the United States.

Taiwan’s outsized role in chipmaking has come under the spotlight as a global shortage of semiconductors forced several automakers to halt production.

Countries including the U.S. and Germany reached out to Taiwan to help alleviate bottlenecks in the production of chips. The shortage was a result of increased demand for electronics during the Covid-19 pandemic, and was exacerbated by former President Donald Trump’s trade war with China.

If you think fuel is expensive, take a look at NZ fuel price, the price in the USA now, would be a low price for NZ, there 2018 average fuel price was $9.28 per gallon

People here in the USA Etc. just need to cut back on fuel usage and the price will drop, what's driving the price up right now is the demand is greater than the production, not a shortage of crude oil, there is plenty of that. if production could be cranked up then the price would drop, so the petroleum companies are at fault for this, it has nothing to do with Russia or China