For some reason i cannot get plines or lines to join, i have tried using Join command and pedit command, i ahve tried closing plines and lines still nothing aslo, what i wan to draw is 2, 3 inch circles 3 inches a part and then make a saggind line from one circle on one side to the other circle same side the look will be likea choppers belt cover or 2 tear droops back to back with the points touching?