[DonW]

I know this may be a stupid question, but IIRC after the last big one this happened to me...

Will there be any file compatability issues between the versions?

Thanks...

[BurrMan]

I just looked. I'm on build 1077. Looks like I need to do some downloading...

If you want to make sure you have nothing residual from the past, these instructions can help for a clean full install. Just remember that if you do this it will wipe any custom settings or post p's or tools. But I wanted a fresh start.

From another post:

"It's a large file so get it when you have time and dont use any kind of download manager.

1. Uninstall BobCad and Both Predators.

2. This next step wipes your V22 install clean. If you have custom posts or tool databases, you need to back these up to a different directory first. If you dont know how to do this and dont want to have to re-create the extra work, then skip these next 2 parts and go to installation. It just wont be a fresh start.

Using windows explorer, delete the program folders for both softwares here:

C:\Program Files\BobCAD-CAM\BobCAD-CAM V22

C:\Program Files\Predator Software

3. Delete the registry entries for both softwares:

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Bobcad-CAM\BobCAD V22

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Predator

4 Install downloaded version from previous link.

5. Make sure you have a current post processor from the BobCad website.

"""

[BurrMan]

I know this may be a stupid question, but IIRC after the last big one this happened to me...

Will there be any file compatability issues between the versions?

Thanks...

I'm not sure I understand this question??? Can you elaborate?

IIRC?

[DonW]

3. Delete the registry entries for both softwares:

HKEY_CURRENT_USERSoftwareBobcad-CAMBobCAD V22

HKEY_CURRENT_USERSoftwarePredator

? Ok, now I confess ignorance...
what is this registry key thingamabob(cad)?

[robard]

A big DITTO to DonW's comments. After starting with V18 and upgrading through V22 I feel that customer loyalty should be considered when asking me to purchase a "new" version of software to fix what did not perform as advertised in the previous version. I would consider giving V23 a go only if it would be provided as DonW suggested. I also recall being asked about problems I would like to see corrected as well as new features to be included in the next "rebuild" only to find that BCAD quit supporting V22 and issued a new version. I also strongly suggested that BCAD put the time and resources behind a proper users manual, which coincidentally would more than cover it's costs by greatly reducing call for tech support, and BCAD said they are working on one. That has yet to materialize for V22 and I understand it does not exist for v23. At this point I have nothing positive to say about BCAD software and have been playing with OneCNC which is more expensive but is a bargain compared to cheaper software that does not work as advertised and is unsupported.

Robin A

[BurrMan]

? Ok, now I confess ignorance...
what is this registry key thingamabob(cad)?

Don,

THis is a windows thing and bobcad stores some data here. It's not a specified requirement nor is it a proven need, it's just more something I do. Also, I think your on a Mac? this might not be the same here.

I can post a file here for you that will automatically remove these 2 values if your on a pc. It's not something you want to dig into if your not familiar with it.

I have to go find it in another thread so I dont have to recreate it.

[BurrMan]

Don,
Here is the file I refered to. It will delete the registry values for you before you do the full install of build 1137.

Unzip the file and run the reg file. choose yes and ok. it will delete the 2 registry values I mentioned before.

[The Engine Guy]

A big DITTO to DonW's comments. After starting with V18 and upgrading through V22 I feel that customer loyalty should be considered when asking me to purchase a "new" version of software to fix what did not perform as advertised in the previous version. At this point I have nothing positive to say about BCAD software and have been playing with OneCNC which is more expensive but is a bargain compared to cheaper software that does not work as advertised and is unsupported.

Robin A

My 2 cents worth, I went to FeatureCAM, again, expensive but worth a look at, quite a steep learning curve but a joy to use and worth the effort!!
Most CadCAM companies are giving massive discounts these days so always worth either an email or a `phone call to any of them!!!

Regards
Rob



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[DonW]

Thanks BurrMan, I'll work on it and report back on how it goes.
Appreciate the help and advice...

[tjones]

Out of curiosity I must ask this.

Why would anyone who does not nor cares to use Bobcad and is already using a superior product be wasting their time posting comments on this or any other competitor's (losely used term) thread?

Think about it.(nuts)

[tjones]

Good enough. Would be hard to drop back but not everyone can afford the best out there.

As for why Bobcad wuld not have V23 at a show is strange.

I am playing with V23 myself and find it much better. They also have a few thing coming that maybe they did not wish to give away yet.

They could have had Sorin do the show and really make it look easy. He can pull things out of Bobcad better than I have seen some users of Mastercam. (not all as those 5th axis machines would stop BCC in it's tracks)

[tjones]

Bobcad does have a UCS that is easy to set and works great.

[DonW]

I'm not sure I understand this question??? Can you elaborate?

IIRC?

IIRC= If I recall correctly.

I think what happened was I tried to go back to the old build when one of the new builds didn't function properly on my computer. What happened was any file I created in the newer build would not be recognized in the older build.

Which brings me to another issue, when I downloaded and installed Build 1077, I had issues with my graphics drivers. Am I going to have any similar issues with the new build? Not sure if I can get any more updated drivers for my Macbook Pro for the Bootcamp/windows end at this time.

[BurrMan]

Don,
Not sure about the bootcamp. This build may have a predator update in it which is heavy on the graphics. It is the good build though. 1077 had issues.

But running the vm stuff is also something to consider that I cant speak to. Especially with regard to graphics. (One of the big hurdles)

If you have the 1077 installer, you can always go back if you wanted to try the newer build, but.....Why dont you make that call to bc first? this could all be moot.

Burr

[Allen123]

Or maybe you haven't used V23. And you don't know what he is talking about.

You can now set you G54 based on your UCS instead of moving the part to Zero.

Or you can have the software pick up the Rotation move for the 4th axis based on the plane you snap the UCS to.

I am sure UG has more features than BobCAD, but this one thing is really handy.

[Allen123]

I am sure BobCAD will recall V22 once Microsoft recalls vista

[sansbury]

I am sure BobCAD will recall V22 once Microsoft recalls vista

Vista is the #1 reason I'm typing this on a Mac, and happy about it.

I think part of the argument being made by some of the detractors is that upgrading the V22 buyers would be good business for BCC too. If you are a v22 buyer who feels completely burned, you may look for a replacement from any one of the other vendors out there. If BCC gives you an upgrade this once, then you will be a lot more willing to pay for the one after that, because you know they'll stand behind their customer 100%.

FWIW, I run a small software company so I can appreciate a lot of the challenges inherent in this business. I'm mostly content with v22 so far, but I also got it after the worst problems had been fixed.

[Allen123]

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[Allen123]

You are real funny comparing those since vista does get all of the fixes without any other versions being made to just replace it with. You need to think about what you compare them to first off vista was not a replacement for a bad program (nuts)

??? V07 came out first, it has some issues. Lot of fixes came out and they re named it V22. Anyone that had the V07 got the V22 for free. I did. And most of the issues with V07 were fixed in V22.



So I don't know what you are taking about. Again you use brokeCAD. You make parts with it.

Why don't you do us all a favor and call Chris C and see what he can do you get you fixed. Otherwise saying BobCAD doesn't work and everything else you say is just stupid :withstupi

[tjones]

Thanks Allen123 for clearing that up.

I response: No I have not personally used UG either but do know what you mean and have used some really good comparable CAD and CADCAM software. The USC works in V23 and I am happy with it's ability in the software. I do not believe it has all the functionality of the 25-50k software but here and now I do not have the need of anything else. Well other than a rare 4th axis case that is.

I am still requesting new features in Bobcad and still trying to make them aware of program issues when I find them. Everyone should do this in a constructive way and they most likely will get the help I have

I could never say Bobcad support sucks because I have always had the help I needed in a very timely manner. Maybe it was just dumb luck but they have always helped very quickly if not that minute with any issue I had( including software bugs).

I am not defending them but have no problem currently with them. However I have been in the tech support shows with another company. Software bugs make tech support a rough job and very little they personally can do about it.