[David M]

We're setting up a factory in China and I'm actually moving over there next week to oversee it. We're taking delivery on a new CNC router and the machine will have a lot of spare time for outside work. We'd like to hook up with a company or two looking for low cost 3d or 2d CNC work.

Is there a place on the internet where companies advertise machine time?

Thanks for your help.

[Tim Wiltse]

So sad...there goes more US jobs overseas! You should be proud!

I really think some of us americans are so stupid as to sell ourselfs out of our own jobs!

[msemanamerican]

Kudos to you Tim.

[David M]

And in the process more better paying jobs created in America...

[Tim Wiltse]

Funny...things must have changed how it works... I didn't know that by taking jobs overseas it really makes more/better jobs here:nono: Nice too that your first post on this site is you telling how your taking work away US makers...nice!

[David M]

Yep. That's how it works. Our company wouldn't even exist without cheap labor. And if that were the case, then maybe I'd have to compete with you for your job. Instead, we're creating jobs for Americans and profits for American owners. We've never laid anyone off, and the Americans involved are not making manufacturing wages...

Trade increases wealth, but it's an uneven increase. There are winners and losers in trade...try to be a winner.

[todd71]

So are you joinning the communist party? Sure are doing your part to support that :bs:

[Ken_Shea]

I really think some of us americans are so stupid as to sell ourselfs out of our own jobs!

This is not a whack your statement Tim or you.

But I would like to re-phrase it to this.

I really think some of us Americans are so stupid as to BUY ourselves out of our own jobs!.

These lost jobs are as much or more a result of Americans just not willing to pay for out own products.

[Tim Wiltse]

That's what I was trying to say Ken..jsut worded it wrong!

Later,
Tim

[thkoutsidthebox]

I'm not an American but we have the same issues starting here with companies moving overseas.

However, I don't think this thread in the RFQ forum is the time or place. There are plenty of threads about this specific topic. David is a businessman looking for advice, and he is doing nothing that others are not doing.

Unfortunately David I can't advise on anywhere to advertise, but I hope that someone else can help.

I understand that this is an emotive topic for people, but I also hope that cnczone won't become one of those sites where people are not permitted to speak freely because they do or say something that others disagree with and are immediately shot down. :nono:

Everyones free to express their opinions, please express them in the correct area of the site. I'm not a moderator so you can feel free to tell me to stick it where the sun don't shine....although that'd pretty much prove my point. This is just my thoughts on the topic. M2c.

[Ken_Shea]

thkoutsidthebox,
Unfortionatly David's post is already lost to other, lets say content.

While I personally do not have any problems with Davids plans, and I do find fault with todd71 's post, lets get real here, there is just no way a post like Davids is going to go quietly. If one plays with bees he better expect to get stung

[todd71]

thkoutsidthebox,
Unfortionatly David's post is already lost to other, lets say content.

While I personally do not have any problems with Davids plans, and I do find fault with todd71 's post, lets get real here, there is just no way a post like Davids is going to go quietly. If one plays with bees he better expect to get stung

Lets see.
1) Slave labor http://www.newsmax.com/archives/arti...8/191237.shtml
2) No freedom of speech http://www.cecc.gov/pages/virtualAca...hprivilege.php
3) No free press http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1
4) One party rule.http://www.hrw.org/reports/2000/china/

What wonderful place to open a factory. I just believe we should be using our economic buying power to support and reward democratic change. And China , in my opinion,has not come far enough from its totalitarian roots to be rewarded. How big does the trade defict have to grow before you realize we are ALL losing. Whats the true price of that discount?

[David M]

Anyone have any ideas on how to reach people who could benefit from our lower costs? That is why I posted here, afterall.

I'm just wondering how to line up business to make money and save some money for Americans at the same time. Maybe we'll get an American whose business is struggling and will take off due to reduce costs. Who knows? It's just not as simple as you see it, Todd.

As for our company, we also produce American made versions of our products that cost more and guess what? Most Americans don't want to pay more for the American made version.

Those that pick a fight with the market get beat up.



Everybody is welcome to his or her point of view on the larger issues, and I'm happy to add my point of view after having lived in China for six months - and having spent a lot of time in other countries.

I saw communism first hand in Eastern Europe. That was horrible and by all accounts Mao was a whole lot worse. China today is communist in name only. It's a benevolent totalitarian government. Aside from political organizing, there's nearly complete freedom in China. There is less of a police presence in China than in America. Overall, I'd say there is more freedom in China than America, and that's not necessarily a good thing. ie. freedom to run red lights, freedom to pollute, etc. It's a cash economy with far less government control than in America.

Essentially, what you have in China is a stability at the top and free markets below. In my opinion it's a better model for much of the developing world. Look at Iraq. I think China would look more like Iraq than America if it were a democracy. Instead, it looks more like America everyday.

I wouldn't want a government like China's in America, but I think it's a great government for China. The requirements for managing China are totally different than those that are right for America. I couldn't imagine it better in China and the Chinese seem a lot happier with their government than Americans are with theirs. Their govenment is focused almost solely on growing their economy and it's working. The combination of maintaining a stable government and fostering free markets is well-proven.

We're looking like the overstretched empire with our military fighting two wars and stationed everywhere else. Meanwhile, China doesn't even have one military base abroad, let alone create wars in other countries. All of the their focus is on growing their economy, and it's working. If they're smart they'll keep it that way, but history suggests they'll make the same errors in due time.

Blame China all you want, but America is squandering its opportunity. When you're on top, you should try to protect the status quo and not take risks. Wars are turning points and we're too prone to making them. That's dangerous in more ways than one. In money terms, we've become terribly wasteful and less focused on economics. Our government spending is out of control and there's no way we're going to have strong economic growth under those circumstances.

The problem is that what's best for the country is not necessarily what the people would vote for. That's one of the advantages the Chinese government has. They can really figure out what's best an implement it. If the 700 million poor in China had a vote, then they probably would have something like a communist system. Instead, they have a totalitarian government that imposes free markets on the people and it's creating jobs and opportunities for all Chinese.

If you went to China, you'd be shocked at the amount of poverty. We've got it made over here, and one way to keep it that way is to utilize their cheap labor. Hiring Chinese at $1/hour and having the profits flow back to America is not bad for America. We shouldn't fight it - we should embrace it and enjoy it while it lasts.

Meanwhile, we should cut off the unskilled immigration into America so that wages can rise here. There will always be lots of jobs that need to be done in America. This place can't operate without labor. We should want Americans to make more, not less. Cut off this huge supply of labor pouring in and watch your pay go up.

I also think we should cut military spending, bring the boys home from all around the world, and focus on defending America. Use the savings to pay off the national debt, and then once that's done, cut taxes a third across the board (the amount of our taxes going toward the debt). Our country's economy would sizzle with money.

That's my version of putting America first.

[todd71]

So sad. Have great time Dave.:wave: Trading principals for profits.

[kentavv]

Anyone have any ideas on how to reach people who could benefit from our lower costs? That is why I posted here, afterall.

Telemarketing would seem to fit your business quite well. Might I suggest an Indie telemarketing group to further save costs?

[WayneHill]

David,

It makes me wonder what the quality of life is for someone making $1.00 an hour.

[thkoutsidthebox]

Telemarketing would seem to fit your business quite well. Might I suggest an Indie telemarketing group to further save costs?

lol...ok, I have to admit that was funny.

David,
It makes me wonder what the quality of life is for someone making $1.00 an hour.

Probably the same as yours because they buy everything proportionately cheaper.....I hope!...

[hondahak]

you must be a middle man.....

[ltmquik]

We're setting up a factory in China and I'm actually moving over there next week to oversee it. We're taking delivery on a new CNC router and the machine will have a lot of spare time for outside work. We'd like to hook up with a company or two looking for low cost 3d or 2d CNC work.

Is there a place on the internet where companies advertise machine time?

Thanks for your help.

Why don't you just cut your margins. I think the US manufactures doing business in Asia are tearing the heart and soul from America. Manufacturing is what created the strength of America. Selling out to Asia to save a few bucks is what will be the ultimate downfall of our country.

[David M]

"Why don't you just cut your margins. I think the US manufactures doing business in Asia are tearing the heart and soul from America. Manufacturing is what created the strength of America. Selling out to Asia to save a few bucks is what will be the ultimate downfall of our country."


Actually our product is labor-intensive and price competitive - turns out Americans, Europeans, and Japanese want to pay less for their products. If we produce in America then we lose money. Our company could not continue to exist without low-cost manufacturing. There are a lot of Americans that benefit from our existence. What we're doing is good for the American economy. We are creating wealth for Americans that would not otherwise exist.

There are more jobs in America today than there were five years ago. There is more trade with China today than there was five years ago. If you add up all the American jobs that have supposedly moved to other countries, then nobody in America would have a job. The reality is that with trade some jobs are lost and some jobs are gained. In my opinion, more American jobs would be lost by not trading with China than are lost by trading with China.