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Just when I thought that EVERY VFD, including the cheapest one, provides constant torque at any RPM, or at least down to fairly low, like 5-6k...

Far from it, most non-vectorless you can stop the spindle with your fingers once you get the rpm's down low enough.

I plan on using one for the small machine I'll be building, it just gives so much more flexibility with cutters and materials.

cheers, Ian

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Far from it, most non-vectorless you can stop the spindle with your fingers once you get the rpm's down low enough.

I plan on using one for the small machine I'll be building, it just gives so much more flexibility with cutters and materials.

cheers, Ian

By "headache" I meant now I have to find out how to find out if it is or it is not vectored. Just checked the Bosch Rexroth EFC 3610 / EFC 5610 and that is definitely right. It has a lot of parameters for vector control. I only have a German manual at the moment, and my German is not perfect, but good enough to read it, so even if I would buy this from Germany, I'd be fine. I don't know if cheap Chinese VFDs have this function or not, I looked at one manual and it says nothing about that, so I guess it does not have it.

Perhaps that is the largest difference between a cheap Chinese no name VFD and a much more expensive German one. This, and the fact that the Rexroth has also a built in net filter and a lot of other nice feature. The more I look at it, the more I am convinced that it is the way to go for me. At least this way I can be certain that it fits the EU norms nd can safely be used in Sweden.

Edit:

Found an English manual... just when I got through the German manual. Also, the sad news is that only the even more expensive one, the 5610, has the vector parameters.

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Most VFD Drives no matter which Drive you get even the cheapest Chinese, you can control the torque at low speeds if you know how and what parameters to set, I did a Torque setting reference already posted some time ago, of how and what parameters to set on a Huanyang, to have a good useable Torque at low speed range, which is more than enough if you are using the High Speed spindles,( 18,000 to 24,000 ) as you can't run them safely below 6,000 RPM

A Flux Vector Drive is not for everyone, and an expense that in most cases is not needed

Here is some good reading for those who would like a little more input on the subject, this is not everything there is to know about VFD Drives, It gives all the basic differences


There are three basic types of variable frequency drives offer certain advantages as well as disadvantages depending on your motor application. The new flux vector drive is also discussed.

While all variable frequency drives (VFDs) control the speed of an AC induction motor by varying the motor's supplied voltage and frequency of power, they all do not use the same designs in doing so. There are three major VFD designs commonly used today: pulse width modulation (PWM), current source inverter (CSI), and voltage source inverter (VSI). Recently, the flux vector drive also has become popular.

Let's compare these technologies.

PWM design

The PWM drive has become the most commonly used drive controller because it works well with motors ranging in size from about 1/2 hp to 500 hp. A significant reason for its popularity is that it's highly reliable, affordable and reflects the least amount of harmonics back into its power source. Most units are rated either 230V or 460V, 3-phase, and provide output frequencies from about 2 Hz to 400 Hz. Nearly 100 manufacturers market the PWM controller. A typical controller is shown in the photo.

As shown in Fig. 1, an AC line supply voltage is brought into the input section. From here, the AC voltage passes into a converter section that uses a diode bridge converter and large DC capacitors to create and maintain a stable, fixed DC bus voltage. The DC voltage passes into the inverter section usually furnished with insulated gate bipolar transistors (IGBTs), which regulate both voltage and frequency to the motor to produce a near sine wave like output.

The term "pulse width modulation" explains how each transition of the alternating voltage output is actually a series of short pulses of varying widths. By varying the width of the pulses in each half cycle, the average power produced has a sine-like output. The number of transitions from positive to negative per second determines the actual frequency to the motor.

Switching speeds of the IGBTs in a PWM drive can range from 2 KHz to 15 KHz. Today's newer PWM designs use power IGBTs, which operate at these higher frequencies. By having more pulses in every half cycle, the motor whine associated with VFD applications is reduced because the motor windings are now oscillating at a frequency beyond the spectrum of human hearing. Also, the current wave shape to the motor is smoothed out as current spikes are removed. Fig. 2 (on page 56) shows the voltage and current waveform outputs from a PWM drive.

PWMs have the following advantages.

* Excellent input power factor due to fixed DC bus voltage.

* No motor cogging normally found with six-step inverters.

* Highest efficiencies: 92% to 96%.

* Compatibility with multimotor applications.

* Ability to ride through a 3 to 5 Hz power loss.

* Lower initial cost.

The following are disadvantages, however, that you should also consider.

* Motor heating and insulation breakdown in some applications due to high frequency switching of transistors.

* Non-regenerative operation.

* Line-side power harmonics (depending on the application and size of the drive).

CSI design

As shown in Fig. 3, the incoming power source to the CSI design is converted to DC voltage in an SCR converter section, which regulates the incoming power and produces a variable DC bus voltage. This voltage is regulated by the firing of the SCRs as needed to maintain the proper volt/hertz ratio. SCRs are also used in the inverter section to produce the variable frequency output to the motor. CSI drives are inherently current regulating and require a large internal inductor to operate, as well as a motor load.

CSIs have the following advantages.

* Reliability due to inherent current limiting operation.

* Regenerative power capability.

* Simple circuitry.

The following are disadvantages, however, in the use of CSI technology.

* Large power harmonic generation back into power source.

* Cogging below 6 Hz due to square wave output.

* Use of large and costly inductor.

* HV spikes to motor windings.

* Load dependent; poor for multimotor applications.

* Poor input power factor due to SCR converter section.

VSI design

As shown in Fig. 4, the VSI drive is very similar to a CSI drive in that it also uses an SCR converter section to regulate DC bus voltage. Its inverter section produces a six-step output, but is not a current regulator like the CSI drive. This drive is considered a voltage regulator and uses transistors, SCRs or gate turn off thyristors (GTOs) to generate an adjustable frequency output to the motor.

VSIs have the following advantages.

TERMS TO KNOW

Cogging: Pulsating symptom of a motor while operating at a very low frequency, usually 2 to 6 Hz. Shaft of motor jerks in a rotational manner. The term "cogging" comes from gear cogs.

Non-regenerative: The inability of a drive to regenerate, or reverse, the power flow back from the motor through the drive.

* Basic simplicity in design.

* Applicable to multimotor operations.

* Operation not load dependent.

As with the other types of drives, there are disadvantages.

* Large power harmonic generation back into the power source.

* Poor input power factor due to SCR converter section.

* Cogging below 6 Hz due to square wave output.

* Non-regenerative operation.

Flux vector PWM drives

PWM drive technology is still considered new and is continuously being refined with new power switching devices and smart 32-bit microprocessors. AC drives have always been limited to "normal torque" applications while high torque, low rpm applications have been the domain of DC drives. This has changed recently with the introduction of a new breed of PWM drive, the flux vector drive.

Flux vector drives use a method of controlling torque similar to that of DC drive systems, including wide speed control range with quick response. Flux vector drives have the same power section as all PWM drives, but use a sophisticated closed loop control from the motor to the drive's microprocessor. The motor's rotor position and speed is monitored in real time via a resolver or digital encoder to determine and control the motor's actual speed, torque, and power produced.

By controlling the inverter section in response to actual load conditions at the motor in a real time mode, superior torque control can be obtained. The personality of the motor must be programmed into or learned by the drive in order for it to run the vector control algorithms. In most cases, special motors are required due to the torque demands expected of the motor.

The following are advantages of this new drive technology.

* Excellent control of motor speed, torque, and power.

* Quick response to changes in load, speed, and torque commands.

* Ability to provide 100% rated torque at 0 speed.

* Lower maintenance cost as compared to DC motors and drives.

As usual, there are disadvantages.

* Higher initial cost as compared to standard PWM drives.

* Requires special motor in most cases.

* Drive setup parameters are complex.

While flux vector technology offers superior performance for certain special applications, it would be considered "over-kill" for most applications well served by standard PWM drives.

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Hi,

Can somebody please help me with my chinese 800W watter cooled spindle? all out of the sudden it shows the error "E.o" on the display and the motor wont start.