587,194 active members*
2,948 visitors online*
Register for free
Login
Results 1 to 18 of 18
  1. #1
    Join Date
    Dec 2003
    Posts
    430

    Mach 3, steppers grinding, yuck

    My machine runs fine on Mach2, but with mach 3 the steppers grind away and move very slowly with almost no torque. I have searched and read and tried everything to no avail. Any ideas?
    Another thing is that I can't find motor reversals in Mach3. Where did they go?
    Cheers,
    Colin

  2. #2
    Join Date
    Dec 2003
    Posts
    430
    OK, just loaded up mach2 and I get the same thing. I did a re-format of the computer, re-installed everything, and now I get this. Is there something I am missing? Always at the worst time these things happen, sheesh.
    Colin

  3. #3
    Join Date
    Mar 2003
    Posts
    35538
    Run the driver test. Does it look OK? Mach3 uses different settings than Mach2, did you set it up the same?
    Gerry

    UCCNC 2017 Screenset
    http://www.thecncwoodworker.com/2017.html

    Mach3 2010 Screenset
    http://www.thecncwoodworker.com/2010.html

    JointCAM - CNC Dovetails & Box Joints
    http://www.g-forcecnc.com/jointcam.html

    (Note: The opinions expressed in this post are my own and are not necessarily those of CNCzone and its management)

  4. #4
    Join Date
    Dec 2003
    Posts
    430
    Will run OCX driver test.
    I am not sure what settings would be different. All ports and pins are set up the same. Any word on the missing "motor reversals" tab. It is not in config.
    Thanks guys,
    Colin

  5. #5
    Join Date
    Aug 2004
    Posts
    244
    Quote Originally Posted by yukonho
    Will run OCX driver test.
    I am not sure what settings would be different. All ports and pins are set up the same. Any word on the missing "motor reversals" tab. It is not in config.
    Thanks guys,
    Colin
    The reverse motors it is in the home and limits menu.
    Everything in moderation, including moderation.

  6. #6
    Join Date
    Mar 2003
    Posts
    35538
    Quote Originally Posted by yukonho
    Will run OCX driver test.
    I am not sure what settings would be different. All ports and pins are set up the same. Any word on the missing "motor reversals" tab. It is not in config.
    Thanks guys,
    Colin
    steps per unit are setup differently, and accel and velocity are dependant on steps per unit.
    Gerry

    UCCNC 2017 Screenset
    http://www.thecncwoodworker.com/2017.html

    Mach3 2010 Screenset
    http://www.thecncwoodworker.com/2010.html

    JointCAM - CNC Dovetails & Box Joints
    http://www.g-forcecnc.com/jointcam.html

    (Note: The opinions expressed in this post are my own and are not necessarily those of CNCzone and its management)

  7. #7
    Join Date
    Dec 2003
    Posts
    430
    OK, Thanks for the help thus far guys. I will email Art and let him know that the instrictions say motor reversals are under config, when in fact they have moved.
    I did the OCX driver test and it is ugly. With Mach3 it looks rather jumpy. When I run Mach2, the little spectrum analyser goes crazy and the pulse per second is everywhere.
    Now, do I go and re-install the drivers? As far as I can tell, that is the next step.
    You guys are fantastic, and Ger21, I must say that I am surely not the only one who appreciates all the time and effort you put into this little community. Cheers to you.
    Colin

  8. #8
    Join Date
    Dec 2003
    Posts
    430
    I am also having spindle relay issues with MAch3. It is working fine in Mach2, but wont switch on and off in Mach3. It does turn on when I change the set-up to "active low" but will not toggle when I use f5 or click the switch on screen. (using my "good" computer now because I need to get cutting)
    Colin

  9. #9
    Join Date
    Mar 2003
    Posts
    35538
    I'd say do a complete uninstall of Mach3. Reboot. Re Install. Reboot. Try the driver test.
    If it's still bad, check a few things.

    Is it on a network? If yes, make sure the card is not set to "auto" for speed.
    Is quicktime installed? If yes, use msconfig to get rid of qttask, or something like that.

    There is an optimisation guide at www.machsupport.com that might help. bottom of the page.
    Gerry

    UCCNC 2017 Screenset
    http://www.thecncwoodworker.com/2017.html

    Mach3 2010 Screenset
    http://www.thecncwoodworker.com/2010.html

    JointCAM - CNC Dovetails & Box Joints
    http://www.g-forcecnc.com/jointcam.html

    (Note: The opinions expressed in this post are my own and are not necessarily those of CNCzone and its management)

  10. #10
    Join Date
    Dec 2003
    Posts
    430
    OK, I have uninstalled, rebooted, updated motherboard driver, reinstalled, rebooted and.............. Same thing, the bar graph is mostly grey and black lines, speed is everywhere from 9000 to 24000.
    Quicktime not installed ever, not on a network.
    Now this machine did work fine for Mach2 before I formatted. I have installed SP2, running XP Pro.
    Going to try the optimizations now.
    Cheers,
    Colin

  11. #11
    Join Date
    Jun 2003
    Posts
    1365
    Are your motors wired to the drives correct? I have had similar problems and my wires were not hooked up right.

    Jon

  12. #12
    Join Date
    Dec 2003
    Posts
    430
    Completed all the optimizations.
    Installed MAch2, same thing, wildly varying pulse per second, spectrum is nearly all grey/black,
    Uninstalled mach2, installed mach3. Reboot...
    pulse per second is reasonably steady around 19600, some big vertical lines on the display. This is essentially what I had before, so no improvement.
    Any other suggestions would be greatly appreciated. I will keep on trying...
    Cheers,
    colin

  13. #13
    Join Date
    Dec 2003
    Posts
    430
    Jon.
    I have my two computers side by side, everything works fine on one and poorly on the other. I bought the second computer to free up my PC for the home. The "new" (P3 500) worked fine before the format, now blech..
    I have not changed anything with respect to drives, motors, etc.
    colin

  14. #14
    Join Date
    Jun 2003
    Posts
    1365
    I cant seem to find it but I had a similar problem also, it was something to do with pulse enhancing or something like that that you could turn on or off in one of the logic or state menues but I cannot find them.

    Jon

  15. #15
    Join Date
    Dec 2003
    Posts
    430
    Found that in state on Mach2, it is not there on mach3.
    I will hook up that computer to the machine again in a bit and see what happens.
    Cheers,
    co

  16. #16
    Join Date
    Oct 2003
    Posts
    927
    "enhanced" is also on Mach3 "state" in configs. menu

    I noticed that when I "disable" my network connection the pulse cleans up.
    especially if the internet card is a USB wireless connection.

    Just trying to be of help...

    Bloy

  17. #17
    Join Date
    Mar 2003
    Posts
    35538
    Enhanced pulsing is in Config>State in Mach3. In the middle of the screen.


    Try manually uninstalling the driver from the control panel. The instrucions are in the Using Mach3 Mill manual at www.artofcnc.ca

    There is also mention of an APIC timer in the bios, that may need to be configued differently.
    Gerry

    UCCNC 2017 Screenset
    http://www.thecncwoodworker.com/2017.html

    Mach3 2010 Screenset
    http://www.thecncwoodworker.com/2010.html

    JointCAM - CNC Dovetails & Box Joints
    http://www.g-forcecnc.com/jointcam.html

    (Note: The opinions expressed in this post are my own and are not necessarily those of CNCzone and its management)

  18. #18
    Join Date
    Dec 2003
    Posts
    430
    Found enhanced pulseing, will hook up computer to machine again once I am finished machining some parts.
    BIOS is not something I am comfortable playing with without adult supervision.
    I will have a look, Thanks again for all of your help guys. I need to solve this soon, so will keep plugging away at it.
    Cheers,
    colin

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •