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  1. #1
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    Servo amp for Fanuc motor need help matching

    I have an old fanuc servo I would like to use but need to find an appropriate servo amp, motor is:

    40S/2000
    A06B-0583-B065#7000

    Searching the forum I found some fanuc data sheets which say the motor has a high resolution pulse coder 25000p/r but for the high resolution models it does not say whether it is absolute or incremental. Also is the encoder a standard quadrature or fanuc proprietary? Either way where could I find pinouts for it?

    Matching it to the 'original' fanuc amp would be an option but I am not sure how.
    Are there any model number references for fanuc servo amps like for the motors?

    I plan on using Mesa cards and EMC to drive it, the final card will depend on if I can find an analog or pwm amp.

    Thanks.

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    Mesa cards and EMC

    you can use the similar series of drive , what is the size you are planing for ? what is your interface type?But remember this type of motors and drives are specially designed for CNC machines closed loop circuits , some series like 30 180 and 300 are the open loop controller with the versatility you can use anywhere . My opinion only.

    Quote Originally Posted by paulr4 View Post
    I have an old fanuc servo I would like to use but need to find an appropriate servo amp, motor is:

    40S/2000
    A06B-0583-B065#7000

    Searching the forum I found some fanuc data sheets which say the motor has a high resolution pulse coder 25000p/r but for the high resolution models it does not say whether it is absolute or incremental. Also is the encoder a standard quadrature or fanuc proprietary? Either way where could I find pinouts for it?

    Matching it to the 'original' fanuc amp would be an option but I am not sure how.
    Are there any model number references for fanuc servo amps like for the motors?

    I plan on using Mesa cards and EMC to drive it, the final card will depend on if I can find an analog or pwm amp.

    Thanks.

  3. #3
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    This is a 7kw motor, I would like to have close to full power. Application is basically a turning C-axis so it has to be closed loop. It will have to switch between turning (dumb) and then index or possibly live c axis if the mechanicals are strong enough to work without a brake.

    I am just starting this project and since I already have this motor I would like to use it. My biggest concern is the encoder working with the servo amp. If I have to replace the encoder or get the wrong amp I might as well just get a matched motor/drive combo.

    The final interface will be a mesa card, which one depends on the drive I end up with either analog or pwm

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    can you please give exact drive and motor number?

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    If using anything but Fanuc drive, the problem is that the commutation is Fanuc proprietary, There is a add-on available to convert the commutation to normal BLDC.
    I have also fitted replacement encoders with comm. tracks.
    I believe you will find that is hi-res differential/incremental for the encoder portion.
    Al.
    CNC, Mechatronics Integration and Custom Machine Design

    “Logic will get you from A to B. Imagination will take you everywhere.”
    Albert E.

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    Motor is:

    40S/2000
    A06B-0583-B065#7000

    I don't have a drive yet, that is what I am trying to find.

    I looked the at pico systems fanuc converter but it's max resolution is listed as 10k p/r and this endcoder is 25k p/r.

    Changing the encoder does not seem worth it as it will be 1. Lower res encoder, 2. have to buy it and a drive, 3. This motor is only 2k rpm, I would prefer faster.

    I have found some threads on the EMC forum about using HAL to translate fanuc signals to something BLDC can use but I have not seen the actual protocol anywhere

    What I also cannot find is which fanuc drive, there are plenty on ebay with the correct ratings but will they support the encoder?

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    which fanuc drive

    You can use fanuc drive with externel encoder upto 100000PPR
    the encoder you are planning to use is a incremental or Absolute type of encoder?
    Regards

    Quote Originally Posted by paulr4 View Post
    Motor is:

    40S/2000
    A06B-0583-B065#7000

    I don't have a drive yet, that is what I am trying to find.

    I looked the at pico systems fanuc converter but it's max resolution is listed as 10k p/r and this endcoder is 25k p/r.

    Changing the encoder does not seem worth it as it will be 1. Lower res encoder, 2. have to buy it and a drive, 3. This motor is only 2k rpm, I would prefer faster.

    I have found some threads on the EMC forum about using HAL to translate fanuc signals to something BLDC can use but I have not seen the actual protocol anywhere

    What I also cannot find is which fanuc drive, there are plenty on ebay with the correct ratings but will they support the encoder?

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    I don't know if the encoder is abs or not. Unfortunately the only spec I have is a PDF I got searching the forum, it breaks down all the motor part numbers.

    For all the other encoders it lists absolute or incremental, for the 3 high resolution part numbers (of which this is one -65) it only says 'high resolution pulse coder'

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    How many pins does the MS connector have 17 or 19p? I think you will find it is incremental, get the pin out and do a test.
    Also there should be a number on the encoder itself.
    If it is a 19p MS you may be out of luck.
    Al.
    CNC, Mechatronics Integration and Custom Machine Design

    “Logic will get you from A to B. Imagination will take you everywhere.”
    Albert E.

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    Unfortunately it is 19pin , so that means absolute encoders? Do you know where to find pinouts? I have not yet taken off the encoder cover, and there is no part no. (other than the motor) on the outside. Thanks.

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    Not sure if it confirms 100%, but usually the 19pin is either absolute or some other format, one of which requires an intermediary unit between encoder and system, IOW non-TTL differential.
    Al.
    CNC, Mechatronics Integration and Custom Machine Design

    “Logic will get you from A to B. Imagination will take you everywhere.”
    Albert E.

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