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    I'm attempting the 3D Skull project in Aluminum.

    I was browsing the TORMACH website and spied the 'Projects Library'.
    The 3D Skull in wood looked really cool, so why not in Aluminum?
    I had to Change the RPM's and feedrates.
    RPM was originally 10,000, so I dropped the RPM down to 6500, to gain a little torque.
    And the feed was 90 IPM, 3/8 deep in wood. I dropped that to 20 IPM, and it squealed & chattered so bad with the 3/8" deep pass, that I had to slide that down to 25% (5 IPM)
    *Gulp*
    I got about halfway through the roughing, when it plunged in a new location and snapped off my endmill. Damn...
    I'll reset it tomorrow and pick-up where I left-off.
    This is my progress so far:
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    Re: I'm attempting the 3D Skull project in Aluminum.

    Pretty cool!

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    Re: I'm attempting the 3D Skull project in Aluminum.

    Success!!
    It only took about 5 hours to run. Would've been shorter if I hadn't broken an endmill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RussMachine View Post
    Success!!
    It only took about 5 hours to run. Would've been shorter if I hadn't broken an endmill.
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    Scary lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by RussMachine View Post
    Success!!
    It only took about 5 hours to run. Would've been shorter if I hadn't broken an endmill.
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    Cool

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    Re: I'm attempting the 3D Skull project in Aluminum.

    Nice, was looking at first picture few days ago and wondered what I was looking at "the chin" lol
    How do you guys replace cutters and continue the same part? If I dont use the top of the vice jaw or bottom of material on parallels as a the z offset when setting the part up for cam ops. I can never find the z again.

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    Re: I'm attempting the 3D Skull project in Aluminum.

    Quote Originally Posted by mountaindew View Post
    Nice, was looking at first picture few days ago and wondered what I was looking at "the chin" lol
    How do you guys replace cutters and continue the same part? If I dont use the top of the vice jaw or bottom of material on parallels as a the z offset when setting the part up for cam ops. I can never find the z again.
    Are you NOT using tool length offsets? If you do, changing tools in the middle of a job is no problem at all.

    Regards,
    Ray L.

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    Re: I'm attempting the 3D Skull project in Aluminum.

    Quote Originally Posted by SCzEngrgGroup View Post
    Are you NOT using tool length offsets? If you do, changing tools in the middle of a job is no problem at all.

    Regards,
    Ray L.
    Duh! forgot pp re-homes accurately enough to stop program and replace tool and re enter new tool offset height. was not thinking. Not enough coffee this morning

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    Re: I'm attempting the 3D Skull project in Aluminum.

    To replace a tool I don't think that you need to (or even want to!) rehome. I just stop the run, measure the replacement tool, update the tool table and then restart at an appropriate place.

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    Re: I'm attempting the 3D Skull project in Aluminum.

    Quote Originally Posted by kstrauss View Post
    To replace a tool I don't think that you need to (or even want to!) rehome. I just stop the run, measure the replacement tool, update the tool table and then restart at an appropriate place.
    I do the same. Break a tool, reset offset of new tool and restart PathPilot where it left off. Just did it yesterday in fact although I don't break tooling too often.

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    Re: I'm attempting the 3D Skull project in Aluminum.

    Quote Originally Posted by kstrauss View Post
    To replace a tool I don't think that you need to (or even want to!) rehome. I just stop the run, measure the replacement tool, update the tool table and then restart at an appropriate place.
    There are only two times I can think of where re-homing is required:

    1) After power-up
    2) After a crash

    A broken tool should not require a re-home, unless it was the result of a hard crash, or the tool was large enough that the force required to break the tool is enough to cause the machine to lose position.

    That said, re-homing should be accurate enough that doing an unnecessary re-home should have no measurable consequences. If it's not, then you really need to get better home switches.

    Regards,
    Ray L.

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    Re: I'm attempting the 3D Skull project in Aluminum.

    How do you guys replace cutters and continue the same part? If I dont use the top of the vice jaw or bottom of material on parallels as a the z offset when setting the part up for cam ops. I can never find the z again.
    I was using the top of the material as Z home, so I just touched off on top of the 'chin' again and then backed off a little. I eyeballed the difference at about .05 to .075 (The chin was actually .050 below the surface of the material). When the program started running again (Cutting air, slightly above the part) I hit Feed-hold, then manually jogged down in .001 until it kissed the part. I noted the Z difference and edited my tool offset accordingly.
    More importantly, was writing down which line I was on when the tool broke.
    This program had about 200,000 lines in it, and I would've been completely screwed if I hadn't had enough common sense to note the line number where it crashed.
    I deleted everything above that line, and started the program from that point.
    Something was weird about the numbering in the program too.
    I don't know if it was the Fusion360 numbering the lines, or PathPilot. But it numbered the lines by 10's instead of by 1's.
    So, it only numbered up to 99,990 (by tens) and then started numbering again from 10. GGGRRRR!!!
    So there were 20 different sections in the program of lines #10 - #99,990 .
    That was pretty annoying when doing the edits and trying to search for stuff.
    Numbering the program #1 - #200,000 (by 1's) would've been alot more helpful.

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    Re: I'm attempting the 3D Skull project in Aluminum.

    What kind of CNC router you are using? An Aluminum engraving machine requires rigid and heavy duty machine body to reduce virbration and ensure machine moving smoothly.

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    I work off of the top of the table

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    Re: I'm attempting the 3D Skull project in Aluminum.

    There is a stop button in Pathpilot. I'll hit that, G30, change tool, change offset, then restart the program where it makes sense.

    EDIT:

    You are thinking about the Estop, I dont hit that unless I cant get to anything else. If a tool breaks or there is a crash, I'll hit space on the keyboard to pause the program/feed. Then depending on whats going on (spindle is still spinning) ill hit the stop button in Pathpilot which stops the spindle/coolant and stops the program or the ESC key which just stops the spindle

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    Re: I'm attempting the 3D Skull project in Aluminum.

    How can I stop machine and perform all those tasks unless I hit the big red button
    Don't hit the big red button unless it's an EMERGENCY.
    When my endmill snapped, I just cussed and hit the spacebar (feedhold). Then turned off the spindle.
    I noted the line I was on, and jogged Z up before doing anything else.

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    Re: I'm attempting the 3D Skull project in Aluminum.

    Thanks for all the information. I have very very few problems with broken tools. Drill bits that stick in cheap chucks that is about all the drama I have. And yes I only push the big red button at the end of the day So I have little experience with machine operation interruption. Will try this next time I see a problem. Most the time my parts are so small if I have any problems the part is trash and flying across the room. I need an enclosure not for coolant and swarf, but for safety .Like a few others around here a days work fits in your hand
    Again thanks for info. I set and do the same things that work and never understood or tried this. Would be handy when a small drill bit slips in the chuck and the part is still ok.

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