[petersenonmain]

Very interesting now the same idiots that were talking about global warming have now changed it to the pollution is now causing global cooling. Can you believe this BS.

[Gr6Burns]

I wouldn't mind making a 100 million like Al Gore...

[Fastest1]

I believe there was a story called "chicken little". Each generation will have different problems, deal with it. The sky falling is not one.

[handlewanker]

Very interesting now the same idiots that were talking about global warming have now changed it to the pollution is now causing global cooling. Can you believe this BS.

Well, you can believe it or not believe it, but those that you put in power to control you believe in it and now they are making you pay for it.....that's bullsh!t of the highest magnitude.

Confucius said, "When you start to believe in your own bullsh!t, you not only mislead others, but blame them for misleading you".
Ian.

[keesijp54]

Blobal Climate.

Well, Eart was a very warm place very very long ago, there was no live yet and al the Co2 was in atmosphere, it was
a start of a paradise that time, plants came, did eat al the Co2, anymals came to eat the fast growing plants who did cool down earth
this is a dedicate process of intelligence, and people came, a naked ape who has to make fire to keep warm and so did helping
to fight the plants who eat to much Co2, making earth warmer again.

Oke it is filosofy I will say the earth has all rge Co2 in atmosphere in the time live came like trees, anymals, etc the earth was a tropical
paradise that time, so it is not so bad if the Co2 come back in atmosphere, only the land get smaller and there are to much people on earth for that
so a war will come and distroy 2/3 of all people then, it is al forseen en perfect plan of nature.

But that 1/3 left have a paradise to live again, until more plants gets more Co2 again and cooling down earth again, and so a new cyclus is born.

kees

[handlewanker]

You could be right, but I doubt your reasoning, not your ability to reason, but the assumption behind your philosophy.

The global Weather patterns have never been fully understood by anyone, except those that understand a lot of money can be made by advising those that lack an understanding of weather but have access to money to advise their fund resource suppliers that more will always be needed to have a complete control of it.

This is the same as the "wise men" in pointed hats who in the Dark Ages advised the head of the country by interpreting the entrails of a sheep.

If it worked then, with the complete ignorance that was rampant for the period, there is no reason that it could not work now.

The only difference between then and now, is the population has grown but the intelligence has not.

Climate Change advisors are the only group of people that can get all the sums wrong all the time with all the latest gadgets to assist them and still be fully employed, retire with a pension and get a Nobel Prize for lack of achievement.
Ian.

[dufas]

Another government backed 'green' company bites the dust...................

Bankrupt $200M Columbia River ethanol plant in Oregon now used to store, ship North Dakota oil - The Washington Post


Bankrupt $200M Columbia River ethanol plant in Oregon now used to store, ship North Dakota oil

May 14, 10:19 AM

PORTLAND, Ore. — An ethanol plant on the Columbia River that was built with the help of $36 million in Oregon state loans and tax credits is now being used to store and ship crude oil from North Dakota.

It was built at a cost of $200 million for Cascade Grain at the Port of St. Helens’ Port Westward Industrial park near Clatskanie. The owner filed for bankruptcy in 2009, less than a year after startup. It produced little ethanol and is mothballed except for the storage tanks.

[handlewanker]

Well, all I can say is that the Government can only go so far to please the people, but when the people don't support the Government, all the achievements are wasted.

I expect the Ethanol idea was based on the fact that the Gov were advised that oil would soon be getting to the bottom of the barrel and other measures should be put in place to combat the anticipated not only loss of revenue but the chaos that would occur when the Plebs started hoarding fuel supplies and fighting over the last remaining petroleum products for sale.

Being a head of Government means you don't have to stoke the boiler to get the ship moving, that's for the experts that understand boiler stoking and have the muscle power to achieve it.....horses for courses etc, like the chief engineer advising the captain that he needs to put in at the next port of call to bunker, or the ship will come to a stop in mid ocean......too bad for the port of call if they invested in forestation to supply timber for fueling the ship's boilers, but the ships stayed on oil as their energy requirement.

I wonder what would have happened if the Government decided to stop processing crude oil, sell it to China and use the vast reserves of Ethanol they (now) have that is not being used, despite the fact that the farmers were subsidised to produce corn etc at half the price to enable Ethanol to be sold at less than half the price of petrol at the pump, while at the same time subsidising the car manufacturers to rapidly design engines etc to run on 100% Ethanol, and so making sure the petrol will never be manufactured ever again from somebody else's oil well.

Sometimes to get to the finishing line first, you have to give it that bit of extra oomph, and in the case of the Ethanol, too little was done by the Government of the day to enforce the sustainability factor of energy production used by the Auto industry.

When that's all you have to offer, the queue will be a mile long to ensure the supply doesn't run out prematurely.

Ethanol may not be the completely ideal fuel of the future, but it does cover the sustainability part of any future energy requirements.

This is the same as growing your own vegies in the back garden instead of buying at the local supermarket food that has been fully imported from wherever, and even if you have to get your hands dirty making food just to eat, at least you can continue to eat, even when your job is terminated.....that's freedom.

It's a little realised fact that the greatest part of the weekly wage budget is spent on petroleum products, whether or not you use a car, van, lorry or motor bike, purely due to the need to transport food and anything you buy that has to be trucked from the point of manufacture to the point of destination.

The facts are, oil is a foreign investment policy you are funding, whereas Ethanol is a home grown investment that puts jobs and prosperity back in the hands of the Plebs....not a foreign owned facility that doesn't like you anyway.

The truth is, if the Ethanol production were to start moving, the petroleum industry would react sharply from the roots, especially the OPEC group, and the simplest way would be to halve the price of the crude and so kill the Ethanol (or any other cheap sustainable energy source) as a threat to THEIR well being.

Ethanol, and any other form of sustainable energy sources, has always been compared economically to the same amount of energy produced by petroleum products, but as the weekly budget is being used by Arab oil barons to run their cars on petrol and diesel at 1 cent a litre, Ethanol will never be considered a viable energy source or supplement in that queer equation.
Ian.

[JamesCordell]

yeah I'm absolutely agree with the fact described here as natural resources are not to be last long if you don't care and use it in a free flow.. instead a better approach towards these natural gifts is t make some senses over its utilization.. only then these will be preserved well for our upcoming generation.. think a bit over..

[fizzissist]

yeah I'm absolutely agree with the fact described here as natural resources are not to be last long if you don't care and use it in a free flow.. instead a better approach towards these natural gifts is t make some senses over its utilization.. only then these will be preserved well for our upcoming generation.. think a bit over..

With language skills like yours, the college you graduated from should lose its accreditation.
Stick to your field, and surround yourself with pizza boxes and Pepsi bottles.

[handlewanker]

Dear James, I don't know so much about preserving the dwindling resources for the future generations, what's wrong with the present generation spending them, we got just as much rights, even more so, we found them first.

Too many people take the idea that they must be the carers for the future generations.......WHY......they won't even remember your name or that you even existed, while at the same time digging the last of the gunk out of the ground and gleefully using it all up.

What's in the ground is yours (and mine) for the taking.....nobody sits on a goldmine thinking their great grandchildren can put it to good use if they don't use it and it remains hidden.....that's for nut cases and do gooders.

It's written in the Bible..."Go forth and prosper".....(that's the Jews for you)....well it actually said multiply, but what the heck, prospering is multiplying your assets innit?
Ian.

[handlewanker]

Hi again, if you were to consider the option that current energy production methods all use finite resources and even though they may last for a hundred years or so, more than out lifetime, then alternative means harnessed now and using the current energy stockpile to ensure that the future generations were covered, you might salve your conscience, but in a hundred years from now, they will have invented something that will make our energy producers look like a cave man's fire pit.

All the current alternative energy producer designs are a pure waste of time and money because they cannot compete against the current useage of oil, coal and Nuke energy, not only in the production but the cost too, and by the time they can be of use they will have been scrapped as malfunctioning from lack of use and maintenance costs.

One day perhaps, a windmill will be a sought after item, if you can make one with what funds you have left when all the current stuff is gone, but the population that currently depends on the endless supply of energy must reduce in numbers if they want to have some to go around.....it'll be a brave new world for some and that's for sure.
Ian.

[dufas]

The Odds of Disaster: An Economist's Warning on Global Warming | The Business Desk with Paul Solman | PBS NewsHour | PBS

The Odds of Disaster: An Economist's Warning on Global Warming

Global warming argument from the economics angle..... In the comments section, a lot of people want to eliminate humans or at least stop births. I made an ultra-extrapolated comment arguing their side and stirred up a hornets nest. The warmists don't seem to like it when one takes their argument a couple of steps further...

[handlewanker]

Seeing as nobody actually knows but can have an educated guess, whatever will be will be and for the foreseeable future, green bananas will still be on the shopping list.
Ian.

[fizzissist]

Real alternative energy, high density energy, the kind that we actually need:

Taylor Wilson is making a difference

A milestone 'fused' through partnership 5/8/12: Nevada Today: University of Nevada, Reno

[handlewanker]

Drat it, just for a split second I thought the kid had made a DIY nuclear device that rivalled the current Nuke power station models, all in a shoe box, but it was not to be.......he was learning that if you slap two bits of nuclear material together to attain a critical mass.....sumpin' big's gonna happen, trust me, even Einstein, who never actually got involved in making a nuclear device (wise man), hypothesised that that could happen, and he was proved right.

If the future is foreseen as a nuclear one......kiss your Chernobyl, Fukushima arses goodbye.......what could happen will happen, especially as the country can't even have a fertiliser factory that is considered fail safe.

I won't live long enough to be part of your new deal energy program, but if it's Nuclear orientated......you have my utmost and profoundest sympathy....you are going to need it.......wastelands don't appear in the natural World, but they do get created in this one.

I think the World has got to stop the applauding of old ideas that, like the Great Panjamdrum, go round and round and eventually blow up.

Sustainable energy is already here, but the size of the herd is too great to benefit from it.
Ian.

[Kimber8idin]

I think the World has got to stop the applauding of old ideas that, like the Great Panjamdrum, go round and round and eventually blow up.

[dufas]

I wonder if Micheal Mann is behind this resurgence................. arguing not about the cause, just the results thereby annulling any discussion at all..

Action needed to stop ?climate deniers? from winning the information war | The Media Co-op

Action needed to stop ‘climate deniers’ from winning the information war

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On the weekend, The Globe and Mail’s Report on Business correspondent in Europe, Eric Reguly, indicated that he believed in climate change, but admitted he has no idea of the causes: “We can argue until we turn blue in the face whether anthropomorphic carbon dioxide emissions are to blame for rapid climate change . . . .” “Arguing about the precise causes of climate changes – angry gods, CO2, water vapour, sun spots, terrorist plots – is becoming a waste of time when it is apparent to any sentient human that the climate is changing fast and dangerously.”

The truth is that analysis of hundreds of research studies clearly shows that the number of research papers rejecting AGW (anthropogenic global warming) is “a miniscule proportion of the published research . . . .” An overwhelming percentage – 97 per cent – endorse the scientific consensus on AGW.

Yet, the environmental movement is seriously losing the battle with the climate change deniers. According to an April poll by Pew research, only 33 per cent of Americans say that global warming is a very serious problem. Only 42 per cent agreed that the warming was mostly because of human activity such as burning fossil fuels.

Lies appearing in mainstream media about the science surrounding climate change must be stopped! This unfounded propaganda, much of it funded by the energy industry, is a major reason why not enough progress is being made in attacking the causes of global warming.

Thousands of environmental networks and organizations need to divert some of their attention away from their normal work and focus more on winning the information war.

The movement has many effective communications systems that could be used to combat disinformation as well as help journalists better understand the realities of global warming.

A small number of effective yet not costly activities could be developed. For instance, networks or groups could be organized so that, when significantly damaging and unfounded articles appear in media, they are challenged within hours with emails, phone calls or visits from environmental advocates.

Among other possible activities, some acting as either “good cop or bad cop,” could include:

* After particularly damaging articles appear, demand equal space for rebuttal,

* Conduct content analysis of some news organizations and write about the findings,

* Provide media houses with a list of organizations known to provide misleading information,

* Meet with editorial boards to discuss the findings and point out the facts,

* Develop allies in influential media organizations and trade organizations who will join your campaigns,

* Identify and widely praise news organizations that do not publish irresponsible materials,

Until the environmental movement wins the information war, it is unlikely it will win the most important war: Slowing and defeating global warming.

[nautomation]

Main Contributors and Causes of Climate Change

According to the UK Government the main contributors of man made causes of climate change in the UK are:


* 4% of carbon emissions come from industrial processes

* 7% come from agriculture – for example methane emissions from livestock and manure, and nitrous oxide emissions from chemical fertilisers

21% carbon emissions from transport

65% come from the use of fuel to generate energy (excluding transport)

About 40% of carbon emissions in the UK are the result of decisions taken directly by individuals. The biggest sources of emissions for most people are likely to be:


* energy use in the home (the main use is heating)

* driving a car

* air travel

[fizzissist]

Main Contributors and Causes of Climate Change
According to the UK Government the main contributors of man made causes of climate change in the UK are:
* 4% of carbon emissions come from industrial processes
* 7% come from agriculture – for example methane emissions from livestock and manure, and nitrous oxide emissions from chemical fertilisers
21% carbon emissions from transport
65% come from the use of fuel to generate energy (excluding transport)
About 40% of carbon emissions in the UK are the result of decisions taken directly by individuals. The biggest sources of emissions for most people are likely to be:
* energy use in the home (the main use is heating)
* driving a car
* air travel

Not to be picky... but.... 100% of the global warming/climate change caused by man is... uh... caused by man.
To BE picky, 40% of CO2 emissions in the UK, or anywhere else, are NOT by man. Of the total CO2 atmospheric content, somewhere around 4% is anthropogenic. Of the 4% lies the breakdown of car, air travel, heating, etc....

There can be no question that man contributes to climate change, whether it's warming or cooling, or both. The BIG question that remains unanswered is exactly how much is our influence. The actual amount has yet to be quantified, and so far we're not even close to knowing.