[mikie]

I've done a lot of reading on the product being offered, but there is no detail around what you get for your money(US$1200.00).

Can Syil Canada or China provide any answers to these questions?

1. What is the minimum PSI that will run the pneumatics and does this release the tooling under the 1000lbs load you mention?
2. Are you running one or a twin stack of cylinders? Trying to understand the limits of the unit you have designed. I assume it’s only pneumatic and not air over oil
3. What integration is there to the X4 unit. I see that you are using the front panel to release the tool. Would my X4 be capable of this or is there a side lever release?
4. Is the Power Drawbar capable of MACH3 control and does this integrate via the existing serial interface? Is there additional wiring required?
5. Do you supply tool holders as part of the package and do I need to machine anything to allow the tool to reseat in the same position each time? When I look at my spindle I see there is alip, which implies to me I have to machine my R8 collets to get an accurate reference.
6. Do I need to machine the drawbar or other components of the X4 to allow this to fit.
7. Does the side strut require an upgrade?

/Michael

[syil]

I've done a lot of reading on the product being offered, but there is no detail around what you get for your money(US$1200.00).

Can Syil Canada or China provide any answers to these questions?

1. What is the minimum PSI that will run the pneumatics and does this release the tooling under the 1000lbs load you mention?
2. Are you running one or a twin stack of cylinders? Trying to understand the limits of the unit you have designed. I assume it’s only pneumatic and not air over oil
3. What integration is there to the X4 unit. I see that you are using the front panel to release the tool. Would my X4 be capable of this or is there a side lever release?
4. Is the Power Drawbar capable of MACH3 control and does this integrate via the existing serial interface? Is there additional wiring required?
5. Do you supply tool holders as part of the package and do I need to machine anything to allow the tool to reseat in the same position each time? When I look at my spindle I see there is alip, which implies to me I have to machine my R8 collets to get an accurate reference.
6. Do I need to machine the drawbar or other components of the X4 to allow this to fit.
7. Does the side strut require an upgrade?

/Michael

if you x4 was R8 spindle,will be fit this kits.
also,it is can control by mach3.
i will transfer this thread to keith,he will get back to you.thank you!

[mcphill]

I've done a lot of reading on the product being offered, but there is no detail around what you get for your money(US$1200.00).

Can Syil Canada or China provide any answers to these questions?

1. What is the minimum PSI that will run the pneumatics and does this release the tooling under the 1000lbs load you mention?
2. Are you running one or a twin stack of cylinders? Trying to understand the limits of the unit you have designed. I assume it’s only pneumatic and not air over oil
3. What integration is there to the X4 unit. I see that you are using the front panel to release the tool. Would my X4 be capable of this or is there a side lever release?
4. Is the Power Drawbar capable of MACH3 control and does this integrate via the existing serial interface? Is there additional wiring required?
5. Do you supply tool holders as part of the package and do I need to machine anything to allow the tool to reseat in the same position each time? When I look at my spindle I see there is alip, which implies to me I have to machine my R8 collets to get an accurate reference.
6. Do I need to machine the drawbar or other components of the X4 to allow this to fit.
7. Does the side strut require an upgrade?

/Michael

I am interested in answers to EACH one of these points as well. I would appreciate it if someone from Syil could respond to EACH point one by one. For instance:

1. 50 psi, or 80 psi, or 10 psi, or...
2. Twin stack pneumatics, or air over hydraulic, or ...
...
7. No upgrade needed on X4 for needed on X2, or no, or yes.

Clear answers to EACH point asked would be appreciated!

Also, when will the ATC option be available? I have seen the YouTube video, but I don't see it on the Syil site. Is this weeks out, or months, or what? What is the current status, what bugs need to be fixed, are you looking for beta testers, etc.?

[syil canada]

1.What is the minimum PSI that will run the pneumatics and does this release the tooling under the 1000lbs load you mention?

- The minimum Operating PSI is 60, though 90 is ideal.

2. Are you running one or a twin stack of cylinders? Trying to understand the limits of the unit you have designed. I assume it’s only pneumatic and not air over oil

-The cylinder Is a single custom made pancake style cylinder. The main reasoning for this style of cylinder is due to weight. During our prototyping we found that anything over 8lbs on the head can cause major repeatability issues.

3.What integration is there to the X4 unit. I see that you are using the front panel to release the tool. Would my X4 be capable of this or is there a side lever release?

-We are currently using the free onboard relay, though if one would like you could install a control lever on to the side of the machine. The x4 has the same unused relay.
4. Is the Power Drawbar capable of MACH3 control and does this integrate via the existing serial interface? Is there additional wiring required?

-The current configuration of the power draw bar is under mach3 control, or in manual mode is controlled via the button on the front panel of the X4+. The on-board relay is already mach3 controlled.

5. Do you supply tool holders as part of the package and do I need to machine anything to allow the tool to reseat in the same position each time? When I look at my spindle I see there is alip, which implies to me I have to machine my R8 collets to get an accurate reference.

-As of current we are using the Tormach TTS system, which utilizes a R8 ¾ collet. Any R8 Collet will work. We have found that no other modifications are required when using the TTS system.

6. Do I need to machine the drawbar or other components of the X4 to allow this to fit.

- No this system was designed to install on a X4, X4+, X5 and X5+ in under 10min, all that is required for installation is 4 holes drilled in the top plate. We even send a template for the holes, and that would be required for installation.

7. Does the side strut require an upgrade?

-No it does not.

Any other questions let me know,

keith

[metalworkz]

Is it possible to use this kit on an SX3?

[syil]

Is it possible to use this kit on an SX3?

if R8,no problem...

[mcphill]

Any other questions let me know,

keith

Thanks for the detailed responses - much appreciated! Just one question left unanswered:

When will the ATC option be available? I have seen the YouTube video, but I don't see it on the Syil site. Is this weeks out, or months, or what? What is the current status, what bugs need to be fixed, are you looking for beta testers, etc.?

[mikie]

Keith,

Thanks for the reply.

My initial synopsis:

1. this system was designed to install on a X4, X4+, X5 and X5+ in under 10min, all that is required for installation is 4 holes drilled in the top plate

So I assume that the 10 minutes installation requires the removal of the top plate of the machine to ensure no swarf enters the machine when drilling the retainer holes.

2. The minimum Operating PSI is 60, though 90 is ideal

This is good to know as most compressors operate between 70 - 120psi. The issue I saw was that if your tool wouldn't release at the bottom end of the compressor range then you have try and bleed air out so it would repressurise the system.

Some additional questions to the other posted:

A. If you want to use the standard tool holding mechanism (R8 collets connected to drawbar with no preloaded washers) does your system need to be unbolted or can it slide out to allow access to the drawbar retainer nut?

B. Spindle loading on video. This is not so much a question but an observation of the video produced. In the video your dial indicator is used to show the mechanism deflection when activated. I put it to you that this is an invalid test as there is no tool being drawn up into the spindle taper, thus no load being imparted to the system.

Are you able to repeat the video test with a tool? I could do a test locally for a tool being inserted with the standard system (rotating the drawbar with an allen key) and compare the deflection results. Assumption is that loads equivalent or less are acceptable.

/Michael

[syil]

Keith,

Thanks for the reply.

My initial synopsis:

1. this system was designed to install on a X4, X4+, X5 and X5+ in under 10min, all that is required for installation is 4 holes drilled in the top plate

So I assume that the 10 minutes installation requires the removal of the top plate of the machine to ensure no swarf enters the machine when drilling the retainer holes.

2. The minimum Operating PSI is 60, though 90 is ideal

This is good to know as most compressors operate between 70 - 120psi. The issue I saw was that if your tool wouldn't release at the bottom end of the compressor range then you have try and bleed air out so it would repressurise the system.

Some additional questions to the other posted:

A. If you want to use the standard tool holding mechanism (R8 collets connected to drawbar with no preloaded washers) does your system need to be unbolted or can it slide out to allow access to the drawbar retainer nut?

B. Spindle loading on video. This is not so much a question but an observation of the video produced. In the video your dial indicator is used to show the mechanism deflection when activated. I put it to you that this is an invalid test as there is no tool being drawn up into the spindle taper, thus no load being imparted to the system.

Are you able to repeat the video test with a tool? I could do a test locally for a tool being inserted with the standard system (rotating the drawbar with an allen key) and compare the deflection results. Assumption is that loads equivalent or less are acceptable.

/Michael

here it is video:
http://www.syil.net/en/productShow.asp?id=512

[mikie]

Did I miss something, this looks like the same video to me with no tooling??