[zz183613]

guys, from my personal opinion WK just good enough for acrylic. dont say something like" the best". there are thousands of laser companies in China. and we got thousands of DIYers on this forum. some of them may need leather cutting or metal marking or even metal cutting, dont misleading them
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[Les101]

I purchased a LG6040(full base style) from Weike (wklaser). The machine seems to well built but if you are trying to learn how to use it, the info that comes with it is not helpful. The support tries to help but software problems have been very hard to get straightened out.

[vivinar]

Hope all you can like chinese machine.Becuase we try to make best quality and best service for you.

[Tweakie]

I constructed my own CNC / Laser machine and various parts were purchased from different countries around the world. The parts I did purchase from China were all excellent and well fit for their purpose.
I think you can be unlucky and purchase rubbish from your own country so come on Guys don't keep knocking China for poor quality - It isn't all bad.

Tweakie.

[Les101]

I believe my machine is very well made. The software is the problem. When you try to load the driver and software the computer wont allow it to because it has a worm virus. Lurka.A When I try support, they say its not a problem, others have said same thing, so just remove all defenses and load. I asked them for a clean disc without virus and nothing so far.

[Tweakie]

Hi Les,

Anti-virus protection programs take a ‘part code sequence’ from a known virus and look for that same ‘part code sequence’ in any new programs we attempt to load on our PC. If it finds a match then it is obviously a virus. What should be considered here is that whilst it is extremely unlikely for any bona-fide program to contain a part code sequence identical to a known virus it is not impossible. What does occur, however, is that anti-virus checkers also look for key words such as ‘crack’,’keygen’ etc, etc and if any of these words are found then again it is marked as a virus. There are language / grammar differences around the world, caused mainly by translation, and it is quite conceivable for any good program to contain words which an anti-virus treats as being bad. Now I am not saying that you don’t have a virus in your software but there is a more than even chance that a different virus checker will look at this software an see no problem with it. It’s almost worth running this software on an old PC just to see if there is a problem or not.

Just my personal opinion buddy. (you could be waiting a long time for another disk).

Tweakie.

[mlind]

LOL...

It isn't all bad just 99% of it. Plus it is probably painted with lead based paint...the same paint they use on toys....

Bottom line............China on the label mean scrap on the table.

Need I say more.

I constructed my own CNC / Laser machine and various parts were purchased from different countries around the world. The parts I did purchase from China were all excellent and well fit for their purpose.
I think you can be unlucky and purchase rubbish from your own country so come on Guys don't keep knocking China for poor quality - It isn't all bad.

Tweakie.

[Tweakie]

LOL...

It isn't all bad just 99% of it. Plus it is probably painted with lead based paint...the same paint they use on toys....

Bottom line............China on the label mean scrap on the table.

Need I say more.

Sorry but what you say is just NOT true and yes you do need to say more and fully justify your statements (experience not speculation please).


Tweakie.

[zax15uk]

Tweakie, you are 100% correct.

Zax.

[W3Driver]

LOL...

It isn't all bad just 99% of it. Plus it is probably painted with lead based paint...the same paint they use on toys....

Bottom line............China on the label mean scrap on the table.

Need I say more.

You become what you pay for, all over the world.
Sometimes, you hear people talk, you would think, that the chinese people should work for us in the Westside, without a chance of earning money, and should have nothing to live for.
What ive bought from them till today, was good Quality, (ask them for Quality, and not the cheapest Price) at acceptable Prices.
Please stay away with such common Statements, ore you should show here examples.

[Litografa]

Agree with you, W3Driver. Anyway all of us visit Walmart/IKEA/...... and are happy with products Made in China (under 24h supervision )

What I do no like most in chinese companies - lack of loyalty I am GCC dealer since 1997 and know a lot of other companies who worked with GCC many years. Same story with Epilog, ULS.
But doing business with China - real headache, they offer dealership to anyone, promise something and do not keep promises, send price list and replace it with higher price in one month , change name of company and cancel guarantee obligation of old company. And dealers of chinese equipment work same way - today they sell XXX lasers, tomorrow YYY offer them 5% lower prices and they sell YYY, in year time ZZZ lasers and etc.

[W3Driver]

What I do no like most in chinese companies - lack of loyalty I am GCC dealer since 1997 and know a lot of other companies who worked with GCC many years. Same story with Epilog, ULS.
But doing business with China - real headache, they offer dealership to anyone, promise something and do not keep promises, send price list and replace it with higher price in one month , change name of company and cancel guarantee obligation of old company. And dealers of chinese equipment work same way - today they sell XXX lasers, tomorrow YYY offer them 5% lower prices and they sell YYY, in year time ZZZ lasers and etc.

I quit believe it, the best way to deal, would be an on site inspection from a confidential person, but who can handle that.

statements like these from mlind are not the truth.
I wish you a nice weekend, without some pain.

[zz183613]

Agree with you, W3Driver. Anyway all of us visit Walmart/IKEA/...... and are happy with products Made in China (under 24h supervision )

What I do no like most in chinese companies - lack of loyalty I am GCC dealer since 1997 and know a lot of other companies who worked with GCC many years. Same story with Epilog, ULS.
But doing business with China - real headache, they offer dealership to anyone, promise something and do not keep promises, send price list and replace it with higher price in one month , change name of company and cancel guarantee obligation of old company. And dealers of chinese equipment work same way - today they sell XXX lasers, tomorrow YYY offer them 5% lower prices and they sell YYY, in year time ZZZ lasers and etc.

As much as I know it is normal in China. It is the best to pick suppliers have good reputation. Don't pick those have less than 10 years experience. For any body who wants buy laser from China I personally recommend a background check before purchasing.

[mlind]

OK,

Thats pretty simple: I’ll prove that China on the label means crap on the table as well as other issues with China manufacturing. I won't use quality in the same sentence as China.

Some of you must be trying to peddle these low quality made in China machines in order to make a profit. So this is for those who are considering buying expensive machinery or equipment from China trying to save a couple bucks....Remember you get what you pay for.

With anything that is made in China you will get low quality, cheap built machines with little to no support for the problems that you will encounter. Try to get spare parts for a hot customer order from China within a reasonable time frame. LOL.... Tech Support from China...LOL... Many of these machines have known software bugs which is due to stolen software code that is stolen and pieced together from copyrighted programs as it is easier to piece together software (stolen copyrighted program subroutines) than to write your own. Good luck finding the drivers if you have software issues.

You want facts and examples OK Lets talk facts about China quality, safety, reliability, plus I’ll add in some examples of folks who have had problems and I will cite examples with sources and web pages. Buy a cheap China made laser and maybe you will get lucky and you will have no problems. Maybe not too…… Is 4-12 thousand dollars worth the gamble for what might end up being a very expensive box?

Let’s talk safety and ethics first. Chinese manufacturers knew they were painting toys intended for children with lead paint and they continued to sell contaminated toys to children. They knew about the health hazards but continued to poison children across the world. We now have CPSIA laws due to China’s despicable business practices. Who would support buying from a country that would intentionally allow manufacturers to sell dangerous contaminated toys to children possibly your children? Buy a cheap laser and you are basically supporting a country that doesn’t care if it hurts “YOUR” kids. I'm only citing one example as there are so many to choose from.

SOURCE : New York Times
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/19/bu...ss/19toys.html

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Now let’s talk quality from my personal experiences with made in China tools.... I have a set of drill bits I bought from Lowes that were made in China. They bent when they got hot drilling into PINE WOOD. Yes…They BENT! I bought American made bits and there is no comparison other than the American bits cost about 4 bucks more for the set.

China Made screwdrivers: Guaranteed to strip a screw unless the screw is made in a developed country. If the screw is made in America then the China made screwdriver tip will round off. I Buy Mac, Snap-On, and Craftsman tools now that I have learned my lesson. China hand tools are knuckle busters. Take it from me a Mechanic. All the guys in our shop use only the above brands as good tools save work. Bad tools create more work.

I "had" a China made wood planer. Located here http://www.harborfreight.com/13-inch...ner-39860.html made by central machinery. It was the biggest piece of crap I ever had the misfortune to buy. (DUH!!! Tried to save a couple bucks) I could not get parts for it and there was no technical support and the warranty wasn't worth the paper it was printed on. I replaced it with a Grizzly planer made in Canada about the same size and just a little more expensive and the quality difference is HUGE. China made planer lasted 1 year, Grizzly Planer still running after 5 years with no problems and the quality of the planed wood is 100% better.

I bought some plywood from Home Depot (MADE IN CHINA) it had air pockets between the layers of wood. I now buy made in American plywood for a few bucks more and the density is consistent throughout the plywood. Another piece of Made in China plywood had a big chunk of tin in it. Tore up a good Diablo blade and could have seriously injured someone. Nope never again will I buy China made Plywood.

I made a home made cnc router. I made the mistake of buying China made bearings. The gantry was loose because the bearings were supposed to hold up to 50 pounds without a problem. Yep the gantry weighed in at 14 pounds. I replaced the made in China bearings with American made Bearings with the same rated strength and no issues and they have been working for the past 3 years. The China made bearings lasted a couple months and kept getting gummed up.

The all thread I first bought was also made in China...It stripped and bent after 2 months of use. I replaced it with all thread from a Canadian company and no issues and it has been working for the past 5 years. The China made all thread lasted about 2 months.

Source: Personal Experience

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The funny thing is China made products are getting more expensive but the quality is the same. Horrible.

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As for the China made laser tubes. They are cheap and don't last. I asked several techs at work (I work in the semi-conductor industry) and all said the same about China made lasers tubes. They are Ok for occasional use but when we replace our etching laser tunes they are made in the USA as Uptime in the semi conductor industy is important. These lasers run 24/7 hence quality parts only.

SOURCE : Laser Technicians at a major Semi-conductor mfr USA.

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China made laser reading material about China laser scams.

http://lasersurplusparts.com/blog/20...hina-rip-offs/

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China Laser Fraud

http://antifraudintl.org/showthread.php?t=5254
Source : Anti-Fraud International

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China laser scam and dangerous product
http://www.crunchgear.com/2010/06/10...ns-all-comers/

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Ebay Fraudulent China made Laser engravers

http://reviews.ebay.com/High-Priced-...00000002455516

Beware of fraudulent laser engraver auctions posted on hijacked Ebay accounts. If you are looking for an expensive item such as a laser engraver, you are in danger being scammed by a scammer who hijacked someone else's account and posted a bunch of fake auctions. If you see a seller advertising item for 1/5th of what other sellers ask - beware! Scammers usually target only high priced items in an effort to defraud eBay users for the highest amount possible in the shortest amount of time.

Source Ebay fraud reports
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Source: CNC USER with software problems on a China made laser.

Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Indonesia
Posts: 4

We purchased a CO2 100 watt 1.3m x 1.3m laser from Jinan Maohong Industry and Trade Co., Ltd., www.jxsycnc.com. This 1313 size is not shown on their website and they do seem to have many other sizes not listed as well. As with others in statements here, the machine hardware is okay. And again with others getting it set up in concerns of the software has NOT been easy. It has the Leetro MPC6515 controller. Cooler is CW3000. And with software LaserCut 5.3

After many loops we have been able to get the laser to test and then thus focus the lenses. Problem we have now is again with software and matching to the controller firmware. Using the file Mpc05Ver+M05.exe the report is:

Software dll version is: 4.1.2.2
Firmware version is: 4.2.1.0

I have tried searching up and down in Leetro and other sites but cannot find the correct dll file. Makes it further a huge CSI being the name of files is not clear as to what version it is. The download files on the Leetro site is only in the Chinese site and ont on the English version site. I did use google to translate - but that only helps for the menu and not for finding the correct files. The supplier does answer but replies do not get the problem solved. Latest advice fix they sent shows to re-install LaserCut 5.3 and copy all the dll files - but this still does not work. BTW all the menu's in the answer with the LaserCut menu files are labeled in Chinese.

Has anyone faced this problem and have answers to fix this version problem?

Getting these lasers up and running in relation to the software - with what I read here - is a very widespread problem. And one of bit by bit getting it figured out as of bad manuals. I notice in other manuals (I downloaded many from other mfg's) that there are some parts that have further info but then as well not having info that is in others. So it seems a person has to look at many manuals and conglomerate info. Further it seems most problems are common across the many manufacturers. So it seems a generic well laid out but simple step by step manual would be of great help to many to overcome the lacking in all the currently badly written manuals. I would give it a shot but for sure would it would need a group force to ensure it hits and covers all the main points and kept as KISS as possible.

Source: cnczone
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A Ebay user who purchased a China made laser and his personal experience
He documented the "quality" of this laser with pictures A MUST READ. Yes he got it working but he must have had a lot of time to fix and re-engineer the machine. I'm sure you can do everything he has done to make his china made laser engraver work. But look at the quality of his engraving due to the machine, looks pretty bad if you compare it to a Kern or Epilog machine.

Source : http://www.synthfool.com/laser/

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Another user who purchased a China made laser and his bad experiences as well as many others.

http://www.woodworkforums.com/archiv...p/t-61866.html
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If you are going to buy a laser engraver talk to Kern or Epilog as they are Pros in the industry. If you buy a China made laser you are taking a big gamble. If you Buy Epilog or Kern the company will be there when you need them.... China is no doubt selling an inferior product that won't last.

Here is a quick test for those of you thinking about buying a China made laser. BEFORE BUYING call their tech support and talk to the tech support and ask some technical questions about their lasers. IF YOU CAN GET A HOLD OF TECH SUPPORT or FIND THEIR NUMBER.

Now then Call Epilog, or Kern or any other US laser engraver manufacturer Tech Support and ask them some questions.

Then ask yourself a question. If I need help can I get it. Is it worth spending 6K on a laser that works for 6 months? Can I get it fixed a year from now? 2 years from Now? If you are starting a business "IS" your machine going to be up and running “WHEN” you need it to be running? Or are you going to have to tinker with it all the time or wait 2 weeks for parts?

As I said China on the label means crap on the table or Scrap on the table as the case may be. As for me when I step into a laser engraver I’m going with a established Laser engraver Company and it won’t have China on the Label.

The one thing that is nice about the China lasers is that Epilog, and Kern and other manufacturers of “GOOD” machines are slowly reducing their prices to pickup the low end market.

So there Ya go proof that China on the label means scrap on the table.

[lemonfly0208]

Hmmm,,

My presonal experience with anything made in China has been bad. LOL

Hi Mlind,

I think you have a prejudice against Chinese products.=.=
The Chinese goods are placed in your supermarket everywhere.
Why the Chinese goods become lower quality?bec some buyers want to get more profit from their final customers and ask Chinese fty to use the material with low quality to cut down the cost.
It is true when i worked in a company which exports hairbrush/body care items to supermarkets.Our price is very very low,but their retail price is very high...
In my opinion,you get what you pay for!

YOYO
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Good quality and service!
Email:[email protected]
http://www.gosunlaser.com

[NZCNC]

Hi there im interested in a laser scanner to fit on the head of our CNC router and scan can you advise of your experience

Tim

[Les101]

As I have posted here previously, I bought a laser from china. I did have problems but then again I am a virgin laser person. I CAN NOT say that I would not do it again. Now that I was helped through this site and Im running and learning it is fine. There are those that say all made in China is crap, I dont agree,and thats coming from someone who had issues. Yes the tech support is a little tough to get through with the time change and language, but damn, if you would like to save LOTS of money sometimes you have to put up with more. It works fine.
Why dont people realize that the price differance is not just a little. Thats the problem, its huge. When will people in this country make something that doesnt try to make them millionaires instantly. It always works like this in the U.S.. Until US companies realize there are those competing with them in other countries they will keep ripping us all off. Try looking at US laser companies now. They use to all cost $30,000 and up. Now that China is making a dent , all of a sudden they have some for half the price. Thats the american way, rip us off till we stop buying.
Yes I do believe that US lasers are easier and made very well but China is hurting them and it will help them to price it more realisticaly. Hell, there are people here that make their own, but they get $35,000 for it. How much do you guys who build them end up paying?
I am not a laser salesman, company, rep , etc. I am an end user and I for one am glad there is a source to buy that I can afford and am really glad there are people like Dean at Legacy Laser that are willing to help and guide a newby like myself.
For those that try to prove how bad Chinese stuff is so inferior, dont bother, we all know there stuff is made for a price. Thats the reason your posting shows that you continuously tried . It took you what, six examples of you yourself buying from China instead of US to see that their items are not as good. You kept doing it to save. There are many companies that make things here that make them for a price too and there not as good as other items made here. You get what you pay for no matter what country its made in. Therefore there are good lasers and poor ones made in China, just do your research and figure out which ones are ok.
Maybe when I get really good at this stuff Ill by a US made one for $30,000 but by then it will only be $10,000 for the same laser if they want to compete.

[NZCNC]

Hi There i have to agree with you Im closer to China and think that as thy upskill they are changing there focus from rubbish to the fact that the labour is cheap Ive had good service and supply from this country

Im keen to know more about your Laser Im looking for a machine that can reverse engineer things that have been scanned

Regards

Tim

[Tweakie]

Excellent response Les101, couldn't agree with you more.

Tweakie.

[mlind]

Yep figures....

How about posting a video of your machine working as well as closeups of the laser cutting quality on a finished product designed and cut by you?

I was asked to give examples and personal experience with China made products which I did and I cited examples of problems that others have had. If you have a good China made laser engraver machine then I'm impressed so lets see it in action. How many hours of actual runtime does it have?

Of course I have issues the quality and safety of imported China goods mainly because I read.......

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Changing subjects....

With Christmas just around the corner......

The dollar stores are selling a lot of Toys that were made in China that have not been inspected. These are the toys that were contaminated with lead paint and other hazards. Yes they are still out there....