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    Re: Tripping Breaker on New Clicker Press

    Quote Originally Posted by iWAYNE View Post
    I never ran it dry.
    When I ordered the press they told me it would be a week extra time building it because they needed to special order a 110v motor. So either they don't know how to rewire a convertible motor (maybe rewiring one would void the motor warranty?), or their motors are not convertible and had to order a 110v one.
    Do you have a written valid warranty, not for China you don't, they will replace parts if they are faulty, and in most cases you have to return the faulty parts at your cost

    That's one thing out the way, it's good that you had the oil in, the wiring is your next problem, this needs to be corrected, it's not safe they way it is wired

    Is it rotating the correct way, do they have an arrow anywhere to indicate the correct rotation in the video it is under load and it should not be under load at start up, they ask you to remove the solenoid, this is a good idea, as it could be shut when it should be open, this is a good test

    This would indicate wiring or a bad valve /solenoid, so you should do what they are asking
    Mactec54

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    Re: Tripping Breaker on New Clicker Press

    Quote Originally Posted by iWAYNE View Post


    A video of the clicker press tripping the 30A breaker on start up.
    I can't tell which way it is spinning in the video, but looks like it is clockwise,

    It is a similar hydraulic unit I just installed from China, and It needed to spin anti-clockwise
    Mactec54

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    Re: Tripping Breaker on New Clicker Press

    You have no chance of getting that machine to run on your existing power supply. I assume that is a dual voltage motor and it will operate on 240V. I'm guessing you need at least 30 amps of 240V to start it, that flywheel is huge. You really need to find out what the starting current is, this test requires a clip on amp probe. You may have to adjust the values of the start and run capacitors to the correct values if you go with 240V. If you are not comfortable doing this work yourself, then hire a qualified industrial electrician to get you going.
    Jim Dawson
    Sandy, Oregon, USA

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    Re: Tripping Breaker on New Clicker Press

    How hot is the motor after those attempts to start it.

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    Re: Tripping Breaker on New Clicker Press

    I didn't check the motor temp.
    The manufacturer now suggests I remove a solenoid in the pump (directional/check valve) to see if it helps, but I doubt that will so I'm not doing that.

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    Re: Tripping Breaker on New Clicker Press

    Quote Originally Posted by iWAYNE View Post
    I didn't check the motor temp.
    The manufacturer now suggests I remove a solenoid in the pump (directional/check valve) to see if it helps, but I doubt that will so I'm not doing that.
    I guess the thinking on this is that it might be starting up under load, in fact it will be the opposite way round, hydraulic load is applied when the solenoid is energised. You could try turning the flywheel by hand, it should turn freely, the hydraulic oil should circulate through the valve back to the tank so and you may be able to see the oil circulating. If it does not look to see if the ram is moving. Make sure you turn it the same direction the motor turns, maybe the valve is sticking.

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    Re: Tripping Breaker on New Clicker Press

    Another point that has already been mentioned is the frequency difference, you are trying to speed up the flywheel nearly 20% faster than it would have been running in China. Also because of the 60Hz you are using the full load motor current will be reduced by a similar amount and there will be a corresponding torque drop which may not be even be enough if you were to get it running.

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    Re: Tripping Breaker on New Clicker Press

    The best advice I can give at this point is to hire an industrial electrician to help you out. Not every electrician has the background to solve these types of problems.
    Jim Dawson
    Sandy, Oregon, USA

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    Re: Tripping Breaker on New Clicker Press

    Yes, I agree but in my area it may be a slim chance of finding one with this expertise.

    I sent a message to a soft start device manufacturer explaining the situation and asking for advice on getting around this issue.
    It seems to be my next best option.

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    Re: Tripping Breaker on New Clicker Press

    Where are you located?

    You really need to fix your power situation in your garage. Then rewire the machine to North American standards, the existing wiring is dangerous.
    Jim Dawson
    Sandy, Oregon, USA

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