[cncadmin]

Do yourself a favor and go back to XP, I wish I did! Vista is JUNK and I've spent 1000.00 of dollars on forced upgrades on software that worked perfect on XP.

[RICHARD ZASTROW]

Rob, Paul G is repeating the same advice I was given. Unfortunately, I also just purchased a new computer with installed Vista. I would install the latest version of XP BUT I also bought AC Inventor for Vista. I will have to find out if this will run on XP but all the local "experts" are unavailable. Holidays and all that.

I had trouble firing this thing up also. It's an HP Pavilion and it turns out I was inadvertantly bumping the on/off button on top of the box and shutting it down every time I got my hand near it. (Murphy again).

Good luck with yours, I'll solve this eventually. I'm a stubborn old kraut. lol

Dick Z

[cncadmin]

I just uninstalled Vista and installed XP on one of my new computer .

[neilw20]

If it is new take it back to the dealer?

[RICHARD ZASTROW]

1.) bought it on sale.
2.) I,m too stuborn.
3.) see (2.) above.

Dick Z

[CNCRob]

Maybe, I guess I will find out for sure after I get XP on it.

I don't think it was in the computer, I have installed and been using XP for nearly a month now on the same computer and havn't had one thing go wrong with it yet (I only had Vista on the computer for a couple of days and had to many problems to count). I talked to a local computer service tech and he said there have been tons of people having the same problem with Vista. He said there was suppose to be some kind of fix coming out in Jan 08 (not sure if it is out yet. I talked to him in Dec 07 and haven't planed on using Vista for a while) that is suppose to fix alot of the isssues with it. I still plan on sticking with XP though.

[Toysrme]

I like Vista, let me explain why.
I spent two years doing Tier 3, and presidential business technical support, and training other techs for Verizon Online. I also spent a good year doing MIS in a local hospital.

Vista is better because:

• You can't easily download copies of Media Center 2005. MCE costs $115usd. Where as Vista Home Premium comes with the updated Media Center, yet costs $109 and has two (five+) licenses. If you own a media PC, or an Xbox360; Your life is more complete having MCE.
• It doesn't crash as often as XP. (Remember the differance between XP and 2k, and 2k VS NT4.x / win9X??? It takes that step one more time)
• The vast majority of people are stupid. Ab-so-fing-lute-ly stupid. Bill has everyone say they want to do something 30 times before it's done because the MASSES are f'ing retarded. Vista takes it to a new level. Great! If you don't like that, it takes 5 seconds to go to the control panel and turn that BS off. If everyone on earth ran unix, then unix would have done the same thing as soon as the morons invaded it.
• If you simply download vista and install it without a keygen. You can legally run it for 30 days.

Common points against vista:
Vista likes 1-4g of ram. It's 2008, 2g of ram can be had for $80 routinely at newegg. Dual core CPU's have long been under $100. 120-250gb hard drives are $50. You can put together a very nice computer for $500. That will encode music, video, do heavy Photoshop or 3D cad work, and play all but the newest games. That's chump change for computers.
System requirements grow. Get over it!


The Vista launch was no worse than any other launch. My heavy computing life has lived through the launches of 6.22+3.11 all the way through Vista. Guess what? No Microsoft launch ever goes very well driver wise. It always takes 9 months to sort it out. Not sure why I'm the only one that recognizes that??? Don't be an early adopter if you can't live with shoddy drivers for atleast 6 months! And credit given... Vista's video drivers at launch were FAR better than they were when XP launched, and FAR better than when 98 was originally launched. I remember those days well... You had to upgrade your video driver once a week in the hope that afew of the hundreds of bugs and glitches would be fixed. People are nostalgic about old OS's for few reasons. 98/98se was crashy and had poor drivers across the board. God forbid you were running VMWare for anything!?
AFA driver's go let's keep in mind the unix clones are lucky to get working drivers, and driver updates on a 1-10 basis any windows platform will have... And those are the *good* companies!







Vista may be a bloated cow, but it's no worse than anything else by the time you spend 5 minutes after it's installed cutting out needless processes... Which I honestly can't name an OS I don't do that on so what differance does being bloated matter?
Vista is not as fast as XP but it crashes less, installs faster (unless you slipstream it to a DVD), has media center, and is better for the masses.





That's what alot of people don't get... 90% of the complaints with Vista can be fixed by most users that know what they want inside of 10 minutes after installation.

[Rekd]

[*]The vast majority of people are stupid. Ab-so-fing-lute-ly stupid. Bill has everyone say they want to do something 30 times before it's done because the MASSES are f'ing retarded.

That right there is part of the reason so many "retards" don't want anything to do with Vista.

The Vista launch was no worse than any other launch.

Um, right. That's why M$ is, for the first time, allowing people to downgrade.

Vista may be a bloated cow,

It most certainly is.

but it's no worse than anything else by the time you spend 5 minutes after it's installed cutting out needless processes...

Yeah, right. That's why my HDD light is pinging almost constantly, no matter how many processes I terminate.

That's what alot of people don't get... 90% of the complaints with Vista can be fixed by most users that know what they want inside of 10 minutes after installation.

It's the other 10% of core problems that the rest of us "retards" are sick and tired of.

Lots of people are unhappy with Vista for valid reasons. Deal with it.

[tager_rot]

Well put it this way... I just installed adobe creative suite on a new HP for a friend of mine, I couldn't even install it on Vista (of course this was a problem with the bundled software not necessarily Vista), so I dual booted the HP with XP SP2 and Vista, man oh man let me tell you it runs sweet!!! On XP it runs smooth, just as a rule of thumb I always adjust for best performance, taking all that those features out that kill resources...

As for me I plan on buying a new comp here soon and I'm going to just pull Vista off and install XP...

[tool_man]

Thats right,windows Vista takes up more hardrive space than the total capacity of most hardrives a few years ago.I bought a new HP laptop about 6 months ago.I tried to keep an open mind and I have learned to live with it but,I don't like it one damned bit.This time Microsoft has created a Frankenstein monster that is overloaded with a lot of B.S. that nobody wants.Personally,I thought Windows XP worked very well for me.
Next time I'm buying a MAC.:boxing:

[jhudler]

Now that is BS. What's your criteria for "overloaded"... never mind.
XP SP2 took 4.5 gig, and you're going to in for a shock when you install Mac OS! LOL!
In this age when 100 GB laptop drive is less than $100, you have only yourself to blame for this issue.
Frankly I've found those that spew this stuff can't handle progress and desire to go back to something simpler, with less features, fewer productivity tools, and practically no security... perhaps a Mac/Linux is for you.

What amazes me still, is the people buying Macs, only to end up running Windows software.

Is Vista better and more secure than XP? Yes by an order of magnitude! Several orders if you add in Linux and Mac. Like any new OS, Vista has it's areas of "need for improvement" and it looks as though SP1 will cover that pretty well.

I don't expect the home hobbyist to know or understand security as much as my 25+ years of Systems/Application/Network security developer, but if you did? Linux and Mac would have you running screaming into the night. 20 years after leaving Unix for Windows it amazing that I can still steal root access with little effort.

I do expect you to understand the differences between the OS that you choose to run and why.

[cyclestart]

and practically no security... perhaps a Mac/Linux is for you.

That's an exaggeration.

I do expect you to understand the differences between the OS that you choose to run and why.

The attacks on Vista in this thread came from Microsoft customers for the most part. Or at least not from members who identified themselves as *nix (including OSX) users. If you like Vista I'm happy for you. The fact that anyone should choose an alternative, including XP, shouldn't cause annoyance.

[jhudler]

That's an exaggeration.

This may seem an exaggeration from your POV. It is quite another from mine.

The fact that anyone should choose an alternative, including XP, shouldn't cause annoyance.

My only annoyance is, the choice is made in ignorance This is further compounded by FUD from people like tool_man, intentional or otherwise.

[WayneHill]

M$ is coming out with a SP3 for XP in a little while. They know Vista is a pig with lipstick.

[Rekd]

M$ is coming out with a SP3 for XP in a little while. They know Vista is a pig with lipstick.

You got lipstick? Awe, man! I just got the pig! (nuts)

[tool_man]

A pig with lipstick.Never heard that one before.Good one.One the other hand....some of my former girlfriends bear a strong resemblence.

[skippy]

There are many people on this forum that are very computer literate but unfortunately I'm not one of them. I'm just a user who never had a problem with his XP and Office 2003. Lately I'd been having problems with my pc so I decided to buy a laptop which of course came with Vista and that's where my problems began. No one taught me to navegate in XP and Office 2003 and yet it was very intuitive. Now with the "improved" Vista and Office 2007 I can't find a thing. A week ago all my tasks and to-do items in Outlook started to appear twice but if you try to delete one you delete both entries. As of this morning I have no access to ANY Office program saying that the program (Word for example) is not setup for use by this user and needs to be installed. W.T.F.! Add to this the fact that my Epsom printer didn't work until I found the appropriate driver and I can't connect my laser printer to my laptop because it doesn't have a USB or firewire connection. Don't ask me why but when I display photos from the PC on my laptop they are laterally quashed. i.e. the faces and bodies are thinner than they should be.

Certainly Bubba hit the nail on the head when he said: "I read somewhere, that our computers today run just as slow now as then did in the "old days" because of all the "features" that are installed in the new software just take up space and resources. Think about the latest greatest gee whiz program that you just upgraded to. HOW MANY of these "features" do you really use? Take your word processor, other than "maybe" changing fonts, underlineing and a very few other things do you use? 90% of the rest just sit there and never get used. I also disagree with the software manufacturers that change file formats every year to "force" you to upgrade when you are interchanging information with others and last years software won't open the files."


What have I done exactly other than buy my self a lot of grief!

[Bubba]

Skippy,
"Possibly" if you can find a friend who is literate, you can install XP on your new laptop along with office etc. However, be wary that drivers are available for XP. I have a friend that is stuck with vista on his laptop as the correct drivers for some of the functions are not available for xp. In his case, he is a guru that knows his stuff and if he can't find them, I don't think they are available!

YMMV

[jhudler]

My first advice whenever faced with something new is this; "It may not be better... just different."
That being said; I'm a Windows developer and have been since version 1.0.
Frankly I don't really care for the Office 2007 UI design, but it does work and you can customize it much better than 2003.
Comparing XP to Vista from a developer's perspective... XP is as insecure as a linux while, Vista is order of magnitude better. Vista 64 bit even more so.

[Bubba]

Yeh, BUT
I was at a friends house today trying to help her out with some software issues and one of the programs she wanted to use won't run under VISTA! It's not a security thing, just a PITA and I know of no comparable program to do the same function.

In this case, not only is it "just different", it sure as heck is not better. There are many of us out here that also want backwards compatablilty! Autodesk and I have had this fight for many years! MS did the same type of crap with their new file format for Office files, I can't read them in my version of word. That SUCKS!