[cabnet636]

you were absolutly right about the 5th axis head i posted, the cost of that baby runs $ 55.000.00 US to start, and will only obtain 5000 rpm.

jim

[rocket67]

Hi Fellas, We ordered our router bits today. Ended up getting them from Routerbits.com.
Emailed an Aussie supplier - Professional woodworking Supplies. They did send the prices to us and we were very disappointed with them.
The 7 MDF Door bits were AUD $736. Highway bloody robbery!
The price from Router bits.com AUD $ 400. What is wrong with suppliers in Australia? Greedy ********!
We do not mind paying a bit of a premium but that is ridiculous.

Rocket.

[cabnet636]

my new friend and fellow camaster owner George from nc. have spent some time preparing to use cabinetpartspro, ryan also is testing a mdf door program to go with cabpartspro.

george purchased his machine two weeks ago from bill and is very software minded. with his help we are cutting and maching parts!!

now i may or may not step up to cabinet pro or one of the other cabinetprograms, i was able to sell my 20/20 today and have cabnetware for design but not cnc.

ryan is also offering a nest program that will import dxf layers from cabinet design programs.

my bits and collets will be here tommorrow doors will have to wait as we out source all our hardwood cope and stick as well as mitred doors.

got lots of apartment sign work and will have to carve a night just to cattch up (photos are comming) jim

[cabnet636]

on amazon

whiteside 5645,5610,1303,5620,5725,5630

total 259.11 incl shipping

what did i miss
jim

[Jimmy007]

Hi Fellas, We ordered our router bits today. Ended up getting them from Routerbits.com.
Emailed an Aussie supplier - Professional woodworking Supplies. They did send the prices to us and we were very disappointed with them.
The 7 MDF Door bits were AUD $736. Highway bloody robbery!
The price from Router bits.com AUD $ 400. What is wrong with suppliers in Australia? Greedy ********!
We do not mind paying a bit of a premium but that is ridiculous.

Rocket.

What????

Did you order the router bits with Kryptonite shanks and unobtanium inserts?

We know the reason for the price differential- much higher sales volume and market competition provides for consumer savings.

[rocket67]

on amazon

whiteside 5645,5610,1303,5620,5725,5630

total 259.11 incl shipping

what did i miss
jim

Jim, there are 7 bits - you omitted 5720 and 5710 at a cost of USD $ 57.60 each. 1303 was not included. Came to a sub total of $357.59 Plus shipping $27.99. So total in USD was $385.58. These are about the same prices as Amazon. We went with Routerbits.com because they are specialists in the field and as such would probably carry stocks - hopefully translating into faster delivery.

Jimmy, the thing is that the Aussie business do not even carry stocks. They quoted 10-14 days delivery from the USA. Looks to me like they simply doubled the USA retail price. I intend to send them an Email to
" tell em they`re dreamin!! "
I had sent an Email to a major Aussie bit supplier and they replied that our required bits would need to be custom made. Big$.
How are you going with the Chinese bits? We are definately in.

Rocket.

[rocket67]

my new friend and fellow camaster owner George from nc. have spent some time preparing to use cabinetpartspro, ryan also is testing a mdf door program to go with cabpartspro.

george purchased his machine two weeks ago from bill and is very software minded. with his help we are cutting and maching parts!!

now i may or may not step up to cabinet pro or one of the other cabinetprograms, i was able to sell my 20/20 today and have cabnetware for design but not cnc.

ryan is also offering a nest program that will import dxf layers from cabinet design programs.

my bits and collets will be here tommorrow doors will have to wait as we out source all our hardwood cope and stick as well as mitred doors.

got lots of apartment sign work and will have to carve a night just to cattch up (photos are comming) jim

Great to see that you and George are up and flying.
What are your impressions of cabinetpartspro so far? I did send them an Email about it but they did not bother to reply. ( nothing new ) We want to buy it as we will be doing some carcass work and if they incorporate an MDF Door program it should suit us down to the ground. So if you speak to Ryan tell him to answer my bloody Emails.
Now that you are routing are you noticing the difference in manufacturing times?

Rocket.

[Jimmy007]

Jim, there are 7 bits - you omitted 5720 and 5710 at a cost of USD $ 57.60 each. 1303 was not included. Came to a sub total of $357.59 Plus shipping $27.99. So total in USD was $385.58. These are about the same prices as Amazon. We went with Routerbits.com because they are specialists in the field and as such would probably carry stocks - hopefully translating into faster delivery.

Jimmy, the thing is that the Aussie business do not even carry stocks. They quoted 10-14 days delivery from the USA. Looks to me like they simply doubled the USA retail price. I intend to send them an Email to
" tell em they`re dreamin!! "
I had sent an Email to a major Aussie bit supplier and they replied that our required bits would need to be custom made. Big$.
How are you going with the Chinese bits? We are definately in.

Rocket.

Last lot of bits cost me quarantine inspection fees, chinese wrote 'wood bit's' on declaration so it was assumed there may be timber products inside- $70 per xray before they will release for delivery.

I'm having mixed results at the moment- carbide seems hard but they tend to chip fairly easily. Interesting that some are great and all supposedly from the same batch. My tool sharpening guy I go to touched a couple on his diamond weel and suggested the carbide was low grade.

I'll have some AUS sourced bits end next week, compression bits, ball nose and roughing (big name respected supplier) that I am told by an insider are chinese manufactured. If they work out ok I can look forward to mates rates pricing.

[cabnet636]

ordered on a weekend

here on tuesday am

[Denny J]

4rth axis i am getting is attached to table jim

We are getting the same machine. After kicking around for a few years and looking over everything we could find I felt that Bill has had the best answers to my questions and has been very professional in dealing with my questions and straightforward with his answers. The fact that he could point out features that he feels make his machines better without degrading other companies tells me he is pretty secure in what he is offering on his machines and to me that says alot.

I am interested to see what you think of cabinetparts pro Jim and whoever else is using it.

[cabnet636]

george in wilmington is mastering it for us i will be cutting the rest of the day and will get you video.
denny we are going enjoy this
jim

[Kent_Norway]

I have been looking a lot at the router bit issue, but I have not worked out the relationship between cutting speeds,router speeds and diameter of the router bit. I have read and learned a lot on this page :
http://www.precisebits.com/
http://www.precisebits.com/tutorials...s_n_speeds.htm

However, when you order you're bit's do you take in to account how many cutting edges the router bit has? We can get everything from 1 to 4 (or possibly more) cutting edges, but then how does this effect the processing speeds and RMPs on the mill?

English is not my native language so it might be that the answer is in the http://www.precisebits.com/ pages. In case, I hope you survive my blunder.

Anyway, any of you're judgements when ordering would be valuable.

K

[ger21]

I have been looking a lot at the router bit issue, but I have not worked out the relationship between cutting speeds,router speeds and diameter of the router bit. I have read and learned a lot on this page :
http://www.precisebits.com/
http://www.precisebits.com/tutorials...s_n_speeds.htm

However, when you order you're bit's do you take in to account how many cutting edges the router bit has? We can get everything from 1 to 4 (or possibly more) cutting edges, but then how does this effect the processing speeds and RMPs on the mill?

English is not my native language so it might be that the answer is in the http://www.precisebits.com/ pages. In case, I hope you survive my blunder.

Anyway, any of you're judgements when ordering would be valuable.

K

Most manufacturers specify a chipload for their tools, which is how much material each flute cuts per revolution. https://www.onsrud.com/xdoc/FeedSpeeds

The more flutes you have, the faster you can go, because as you increase the number of flutes, the chip load is reduced.

[Kent_Norway]

Most manufacturers specify a chipload for their tools, which is how much material each flute cuts per revolution. https://www.onsrud.com/xdoc/FeedSpeeds

The more flutes you have, the faster you can go, because as you increase the number of flutes, the chip load is reduced.

That was a nice link.

Thank's a bunch. Would study it closely.

K

[cabnet636]

and timely as i am carving an apartment complex sinage tonight, sign foam cuts like butter, bouht new camera (video and will post tonight jim

[razza62]

I had an issue today- the bit i was using broke on me! I was routing a simple groove in the door when the bit chipped off a bit. Does anybody know what causes this - a manufacturing error or an error with the program i wrote to run it?? Does the speed of the bit entering the wood change anything? Ive routed about 10 panels before the bit broke, so im inclined to think that the settings i used were not the issue. Anybody else's ideas?

[ger21]

Sounds like cheap tools, but sometimes you'll find pieces of stone or metal in boards which can chip a bit. Can you show us a picture, and tell me what feedrate and rpm you're using?

[razza62]

Sounds like cheap tools, but sometimes you'll find pieces of stone or metal in boards which can chip a bit. Can you show us a picture, and tell me what feedrate and rpm you're using?

Rodney's just gone off for a tick, when he gets back i'll take a photo of where it broke on the board. I can't show the bit because I've already sent it back in my huff, but the bit didn't snap, it sort of chipped on the edge.

The feed rate was 20mm per second, and spindle speed at 12000 rpm. Does this effect anything?

[ger21]

It's probably just a defective bit. What's the diameter of the bit? You can probably up the rpm a little (14K or so) and double your feedrate.

[cabnet636]

and wheres a huff?

jim