[xyzdonna]

Except for the "inconvenient truth" illustrated in the two graphics provided by Mariss and my self. No evidence that our "resources" are strained exists and my offer for nomination for the "Darwin Award" still stands for anyone so concerned with over population as to take a near by exit!



We have already seen your ability to be selective blind to any thing which you already have an opinion, like election and narcotics laws. Most Liberals can rationalize any thing at all and this statement PROVES it!



Yes, their record is at least as good as that of the Democrat Party. The stench of corruption would drive a dog off a gut wagon!




Insincerity is the greatest insult one can heap on a man of intelligence and integrity.

You owe Rekd a huge apology!

(Do you ever pay any attention to your spell checker?)

Hi jhowelb,
My spell checker was on the other computer, the one I can't get on the internet anymore with. This is the laptop, it can still get on the internet. My two plug in boxes don't connect for some reason. Looks like you won't have xyzdonna to kick around anymore, at least till I can figure out how to get back on the internet.
Take care,
xyzdonna

[Tempus]

Me: Well, as one of the "environmentalist nut cases", of course I have to disagree. We must reach a homeostasis with our environment. Anything else is suicidal. Obviously the planet is grossly overpopulated, this is unsustainable. All the bad things Geof spoke about are going to happen. It is our duty, as the paragon of our species, to try and direct the outcome so that humanity survives. Also, that we survive in an enhanced (evolved) form. The coming decades will be traumatic. Let us hope they will portend a new order of things. An order of sanity, reason and logic, as opposed to capricious and contentious superstition and religion.
Take care,
xyzdonna

We have stopped Evolving, and began Devolution.
No longer will the stong survive, and the weak be culled. Now; thanks in large part to liberal politicians, the strong pay the price for the weak of mind and back. We now take so much care not to offend, and not to dare hold back the ignorance in this country that we are losing the potential to evolve further.

and yes, for the record, I am a conservative, but have a few things in the republican party I certainly do not agree with.

Years ago the Republicans, and the Democrats were different. They had opposing views, but could discuss things, and see the other side of the aisle.

Left----------Middle----------Right

Looking to pick up the middle, the Right leaned in a bit. The Left were far wiser and went further and further Left, so far that if a Right winger was to be leaning to the middle, they would actually be further left than the left originally was.

Left------------------Middle----------------------------------Right

Terminology has also been bandied about by the ignorant. Fascism, and Communism to be precise. Really look at the meaning of the words, and figure out that they are not Right wing definitions....

Reagan was once shown a poll, and rather than consider changing his view to match the poll, he said,"Well, We’ll just have to educate them" This was concerning pulling out of the recession he walked into. Not saying that he was a brilliant man, but he did have a belief in himself.

If I saw that in one of our candidates, even if I didn’t like their stands, I would seriously consider voting that way. Conviction in your beliefs is not based on polls.

Most Americans are ignorant. Yeah, I said it. This view comes from watching our great country believe in "Reality TV" or that news isn’t skewed, or that Global Warming is a Fact.

The Earth is Cyclical is its changes.

We are foolish enough to believe that the rantings of non-learned people are scientific facts, and are conceited enough to believe that we can "change the world"

Even if it were true (not even close) and all of America went totally Green (another bunch of political bull****) we would have no effect on the planet. India and China are now the 2 greatest industrial countries in the world and have little or no concern about regulating pollution.



Now I do prefer a cleaner environment, but let’s call it that and do what we can rather than call it Global Warming and have Politicians ram it down your throat like some seventies pornstar.

[Rekd]

Looks like you won't have xyzdonna to kick around anymore,

Don't threaten me with a good time, missy! :banana:

[xyzdonna]

Don't threaten me with a good time, missy! :banana:

Hi Rekd,
I'm back and I've finally got this *amn computer up and running. Say Rekd, what kind of 4 wheeler is that you're riding in the pix. Spouse and I just bought a Honda 5 speed fuel injected 4-wheeler, 420 cc I think. It's hot.
Take care,
xyzdonna

[xyzdonna]

We have stopped Evolving, and began Devolution.
No longer will the stong survive, and the weak be culled. Now; thanks in large part to liberal politicians, the strong pay the price for the weak of mind and back. We now take so much care not to offend, and not to dare hold back the ignorance in this country that we are losing the potential to evolve further.

Me: Much of what you say is true, and more isn't. Evolution is the way it happened. That's how we became who we are. To ignore that is idiocy. To say that "thanks in large part to liberal politicians the strong pay the price for the weak of mind and back" is also idiocy. It simply doesn't happen that way.

"and yes, for the record, I am a conservative, but have a few things in the republican party I certainly do not agree with.

Years ago the Republicans, and the Democrats were different. They had opposing views, but could discuss things, and see the other side of the aisle.

Left----------Middle----------Right

Looking to pick up the middle, the Right leaned in a bit. The Left were far wiser and went further and further Left, so far that if a Right winger was to be leaning to the middle, they would actually be further left than the left originally was.

Left------------------Middle----------------------------------Right

Terminology has also been bandied about by the ignorant. Fascism, and Communism to be precise. Really look at the meaning of the words, and figure out that they are not Right wing definitions....

Reagan was once shown a poll, and rather than consider changing his view to match the poll, he said,"Well, We’ll just have to educate them" This was concerning pulling out of the recession he walked into. Not saying that he was a brilliant man, but he did have a belief in himself.

If I saw that in one of our candidates, even if I didn’t like their stands, I would seriously consider voting that way. Conviction in your beliefs is not based on polls.

Most Americans are ignorant. Yeah, I said it. This view comes from watching our great country believe in "Reality TV" or that news isn’t skewed, or that Global Warming is a Fact.

The Earth is Cyclical is its changes.

We are foolish enough to believe that the rantings of non-learned people are scientific facts, and are conceited enough to believe that we can "change the world"

Even if it were true (not even close) and all of America went totally Green (another bunch of political bull****) we would have no effect on the planet. India and China are now the 2 greatest industrial countries in the world and have little or no concern about regulating pollution.



Now I do prefer a cleaner environment, but let’s call it that and do what we can rather than call it Global Warming and have Politicians ram it down your throat like some seventies pornstar.

Well, you do have some ideas I want to consider, let me think about what you have said and get back with you. My computer has been on the fritz and I've just now come back online.
Take care,
xyzdonna

[Rekd]

...what kind of 4 wheeler is that you're riding in the pix. Spouse and I just bought a Honda 5 speed fuel injected 4-wheeler, 420 cc I think.

That's no me donna, that's my kid riding in our back yard. He's 4 years old in that picture doing jumps. The quad he's riding is a 50cc Kazuma.

He can also ride a motorcycle...



Little bastid can ride the wheels off just about anything. He was riding his bicycle with NO training wheels since he was 3, and his little brother is even MORE in to riding.

I really don't know why you decided to buy that gas guzzling, air polluting, ground destroying death trap. It's very un-liberal of you and your friends will likely not approve. Gonna suck if the liberal control freaks succeed in making it so my kids can't ride. (chair)

[jhowelb]

Well, after all it is their self appointed DUTY to protect you from yourself, your children and the environment from you and to prevent all splinters, scrapes, scabs, bruises, bumps and callouses. You simply can't be trusted to make any decisions for yourself because they are ENLIGHTENED!!!

[fizzissist]

Liberals should not be allowed to drive or ride ANYTHING that would make them even appear to be hypocrites.

...With the obvious exceptions of Al Gore, Madonna, Bono, Leo di Coprolite, James Hansen, or the hordes of celebrities or activists working so hard to educate us to change OUR lifestyles...
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This just in at junkscience.com...

Oh, to be in England…

…now that April’s there.
And whoever wakes in England
Sees, some morning, unaware,
That the lowest boughs and the brushwood sheaf
Round the elm-tree bole are in tiny leaf,
While the chaffinch sings on the orchard bough
In England - now!
- Robert Browning

Oh, to be in Heathrow Terminal 5,

Now that snow is there…

British Airways has cancelled more than 120 flights after snow added to the list of woes at Heathrow’s Terminal 5. With 12 flights scrapped from the schedule because of ongoing problems with the automated baggage system, another 126 were axed because of the cold weather.

[jhowelb]

<snip>

I really don't know why you decided to buy that gas guzzling, air polluting, ground destroying death trap. It's very un-liberal of you and your friends will likely not approve. <snip>

As with all hypocrites....uh, I mens Liberals, uh...oh ...same thing! (HMMMM)
They are allowed to drive, fly, buy, steal or waste anything they want. Like Algore et al! After all their intentions are good and their motives ar3e pure. See, it how you FEEL about these things that count.

Did you notice how she is still side stepping all those inconvenient things that she can't answer?

Then they wonder why folks begin to gag and puke when they open their mouths to spew this crap!!

Hey, Wxyz, have you changed anyones way of thinking on this zone? Yea, didn't think so!

[Rekd]

Did you notice how she is still side stepping all those inconvenient things that she can't answer?

I noticed that many many pages ago. Many. Pages. Ago. (nuts)

I'm not sure why there are still a few here trying to have a cogent conversation with her. You know it's not going to happen. You'll make your points, backed up by facts in many cases (and common sense in others), and she'll promptly and reliably ignore them.

[jhowelb]

Just like the apology that I recommended she offer you..............................
DEAD silence! Those are things the left have in common across the board.

True, nothing will ever be convincing enough to her to make a change. I too, long time back, announced that my purpose was to simply assure her, her kind and anyone else reading that I, at least will always stand in opposition the lunatic left. I am not alone. Fully 50% of the populace oppose them as well as has been shown in all those closely contested elections.

In the word of a really wise man, "You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not fool all of the people all of the time."
Abraham Lincoln, (attributed)
16th president of US (1809 - 1865)

[xyzdonna]

I noticed that many many pages ago. Many. Pages. Ago. (nuts)

I'm not sure why there are still a few here trying to have a cogent conversation with her. You know it's not going to happen. You'll make your points, backed up by facts in many cases (and common sense in others), and she'll promptly and reliably ignore them.

Hi Rekd,
Sorry, I don't do that deliberately. It's been a bad week. I've started classes at a local vocational school, the main internet computer fritzed out, and I've been working on some signs for some property spouse and I are developing. The internet computer was the biggie. I was pulling my hair out calling tech support for Comcast. They first connect you to a bimbo who is obviously reading from a menu card. When she finally realizes that you know more than she does she kicks you upstairs to the real tech guy. Here it's guess and by gosh, sometimes you luck up and get someone who really knows his stuff. I finally got someone who got me back up on the new computer in about 3 minutes. Dude was really sharp. I praised him effusively, I think I embarresed the poor guy.
OK, now what point do you want me to address?
Take care,
xyzdonna

[xyzdonna]

Well, after all it is their self appointed DUTY to protect you from yourself, your children and the environment from you and to prevent all splinters, scrapes, scabs, bruises, bumps and callouses. You simply can't be trusted to make any decisions for yourself because they are ENLIGHTENED!!!

Hi jhowelb,
You know, I've been thinking a lot lately about the differences between liberals and conservatives. The chasm between us is not as wide as you may think. Thanks to this forum I've tried to understand conservatives a little better. You must remember that I really don't have many liberal friends. My whole family is conservative, even my dear sweet 'ol mother. I can, however, hold conversations with her and explain my misgivings about where this country is going and receive cogent and well thought out responses. This is impossible with my brother in law the idiot. He just gets mad.
Now let me tell you a little about him. He took a college degree in history, I got mine in psychology. Both are useless unless you go on to grad school and neither of us did. Mariss on the other hand obtained an EE degree. This you can use out of the box with only a BS. I assume that's as far as he went but I don't know that. Obviously he has a talent for what he does, that's why he's so successful in designing his drives. So where is all this leading? My brother in law has decided to kick back and let my sister support him until he reaches retirement age. He can't get a job, what can you do with a history degree unless it's a doctorate? Same with psychology. I haven't kicked back, I'm off to technical school to learn a new skill. So in one sense I guess I'm kind of conservative in believing you should continually strive to do something. I live an examined life, unlike my brother in law. He goes to church and votes Republican. That's about all he knows.
Take care,
xyzdonna

[xyzdonna]

As with all hypocrites....uh, I mens Liberals, uh...oh ...same thing! (HMMMM)
They are allowed to drive, fly, buy, steal or waste anything they want. Like Algore et al! After all their intentions are good and their motives ar3e pure. See, it how you FEEL about these things that count.

Did you notice how she is still side stepping all those inconvenient things that she can't answer?

Then they wonder why folks begin to gag and puke when they open their mouths to spew this crap!!

Hey, Wxyz, have you changed anyones way of thinking on this zone? Yea, didn't think so!

Hi jhowelb,
Actually I have changed someone's thinking. My own. I once espoused anthropogenic global warming and now I'm not so sure I believe in it. I guess Geof, Mariss and yourself helped change that. Now I think, what would have happened if Gore had gotten the presidency? I suppose he would have proceeded on the assumption that man was causing climate change and that really hasn’t been established. I wonder where we'd be now? Surly not in Iraq. Better off or worse? We'll never know.
As the only person (to my knowledge) who has actually changed their mind on this discussion, what would you conclude? That I was the only one who was wrong, or the only one who was open minded?
Take care,
xyzdonna

[jhowelb]

Hi jhowelb,
Actually I have changed someone's thinking. My own. I once espoused anthropogenic global warming and now I'm not so sure I believe in it. I guess Geof, Mariss and yourself helped change that. Now I think, what would have happened if Gore had gotten the presidency? I suppose he would have proceeded on the assumption that man was causing climate change and that really hasn’t been established. I wonder where we'd be now? Surly not in Iraq. Better off or worse? We'll never know.
As the only person (to my knowledge) who has actually changed their mind on this discussion, what would you conclude? That I was the only one who was wrong, or the only one who was open minded?
Take care,
xyzdonna

....... or the one being dishonest?

Had Gore moved into the Whitehouse we would have the full weight of the international boot on our neck, you included. You need disparately to learn that those people do not have your interests at heart! You are nothing more than chattel!

[jhowelb]

Hi jhowelb,
You know, I've been thinking a lot lately about the differences between liberals and conservatives. The chasm between us is not as wide as you may think. Thanks to this forum I've tried to understand conservatives a little better. You must remember that I really don't have many liberal friends. My whole family is conservative, even my dear sweet 'ol mother. I can, however, hold conversations with her and explain my misgivings about where this country is going and receive cogent and well thought out responses. This is impossible with my brother in law the idiot. He just gets mad.
Now let me tell you a little about him. He took a college degree in history, I got mine in psychology. Both are useless unless you go on to grad school and neither of us did. Mariss on the other hand obtained an EE degree. This you can use out of the box with only a BS. I assume that's as far as he went but I don't know that. Obviously he has a talent for what he does, that's why he's so successful in designing his drives. So where is all this leading? My brother in law has decided to kick back and let my sister support him until he reaches retirement age. He can't get a job, what can you do with a history degree unless it's a doctorate? Same with psychology. I haven't kicked back, I'm off to technical school to learn a new skill. So in one sense I guess I'm kind of conservative in believing you should continually strive to do something. I live an examined life, unlike my brother in law. He goes to church and votes Republican. That's about all he knows.
Take care,
xyzdonna

The chasm is so much wider than you could ever possibly imagine, as much as living in reversed universes. mater vs intimater!

If you had lots of Liberals very close to you, still you would have no Liberal friends. Look how quickly all the friends of the Hildabeast are turning on her. And even FOBs are now SOBs!!! They will cut your throat in a heart beat when it serves them!

If it is you goal to understand conservatives you are already going down the road to defeat. We do not walk, think, act, believe or breath as a block unit. If you want to understand a conservative you must first view him as an individual. One of a kind who may share some notions of right and wrong, good and evil with some other folks but like snowflakes.

To be conservative is to love of the best of America that has been from the start. And to want to pass the best on to progeny. To believe in the basic good of mankind and to be optimistic about his abilities to DO IT FOR HIMSELF BETTER THAN GOVERNMENT CAN! (or will)

Now, you may not really be Liberal. You may just THINK you are. You will have to travel light years to understand conservatives.

On the other hand, a new conservative is a liberal who has just been mugged! (Joe Lieberman?)

As far as the brother in law is concerned, walk a mile in his shoes............
There is a lot you DON'T know about him, them, their lives together.
(think speck in his eye and log in yours)

[xyzdonna]

....... or the one being dishonest?

Had Gore moved into the Whitehouse we would have the full weight of the international boot on our neck, you included. You need disparately to learn that those people do not have your interests at heart! You are nothing more than chattel!

Hi jhowelb,
Dishonest? Surly you can't accuse me of that, I've been truthful with every post. Didn't you notice that I have a conservative side? My disdain for my brother in law who has retired quite a few years before normal retirement age while I, who am older, still work? He identifies with conservatives because he's religious and votes Republican. Is he really a conservative? I don't think he knows the answer to that. I know that I'm a liberal.
Here in Chattanooga we have a conservative mayor. He's put in those new automated harassment cameras all over town (they call them automated enforcement). Go through the red light while it's yellow and if it happens to turn red while you're in the intersection shazaam, they photo your license plate and you get a $50 ticket. They have those out in California yet? They are everywhere, all the little conservative redneck towns around here are putting them in. I've been nailed 3 times already! Does it make for a safer city? NO!
I finally decided to fight the last ticket to no avail. I lost. But I learned something. This 'ol codger came in and said he'd never been to court in his life, never got a ticket before. Sorry said the judge, the cameras don't lie. $50. The only accident I've had in the last 15 years was when some kid ran into me. And now I'm getting all these tickets. I'm thinking of moving out of this godforsaken town, either that or running for mayor. Liberals can do better than that.
Sorry for the rant,
Take care,
xyzdonna

[debogus]

"Here in Chattanooga we have a conservative mayor. He's put in those new automated harassment cameras all over town "
Why ?
Just because he's conservative ?
Maybe he got tired of fools that drive like idiots and cameras are cheaper than officers.
Or is he a RINO and thinks this is just a money making opportunity ?
Whats the percent of all the other city offices ? All conservative ?

The traps I love , are the pedistrian cross walk stings .
More fun when I do them myself. You see ,the rules are there for a reason.

Dave

[jhowelb]

And conservative is doing the right thing.........when nobody is looking!

[xyzdonna]

"Here in Chattanooga we have a conservative mayor. He's put in those new automated harassment cameras all over town "
Why ?
Just because he's conservative ?
Maybe he got tired of fools that drive like idiots and cameras are cheaper than officers.
Or is he a RINO and thinks this is just a money making opportunity ?
Whats the percent of all the other city offices ? All conservative ?

The traps I love , are the pedistrian cross walk stings .
More fun when I do them myself. You see ,the rules are there for a reason.

Dave

Hi debogus,
The traps you love? And you are a conservative? So big brother is placing these cameras all over the place to photograph your every move, any indiscretion and you are caught. This is the society that you want? What, have we switched positions? Am I now a conservative and you a liberal? It makes you think now doesn't it?
Take care,
xyzdonna