[Arich0908]

I have a 2TB Hard drive and it was 89.99 new from new egg.
With a price like that why pay for online back up system.
I have my 2tb as my main and my files important docs pics ect ect are on a 500gb HD.
Sorry to go off topic but I bought one of AMDs quad core cpu with DDR3 memory 6 months ago when I bought the 2TB HD .Hooked up to my 38in LCD. All I can say is wow , I love my PC.Im hoping I wont need a new computer for 2-3 years.
My poor father is still using a socket A 700MHZ processor. He thinks its fast he used to have a Intel P3

[hoss2006]

my dsl is too spotty to rely on an internet based backup.
I should heed the advice and make copies of the important stuff and keep over at my mothers, just in case the WD-40 flares up.
thanks, Hoss

[Enraged]

what about a portable hard drive in one of those fireproof safes that walmart sells?

[photomankc]

I would doubt they could keep a drive from being damaged enough to be inoperable. They usually are not rated to really withstand a full blown house fire and the rating they do have is generally just how long they can keep paper from igniting inside from ambient heat. Plastic and other sensitive HD parts may fail long before that. Best bet is to have two drives and swap out every 6 months to a relative or friend. It's still a lot to lose but better than losing everything.

[lilbrudder]

Yeah, those fire safes are usually rated at X external temp reduced to Y internal temp for a max of Z minutes... Something like 350F X, 115F Y, 15 minutes Z. Unless you spend BIG money on them.

Safe deposit box, or an off-site location that you visit somewhat frequently that's at a higher elevation and far enough away to be less likely to be hit by a big freak storm or something.

Around here, it's mainly tornadoes and fire we have to worry about, elsewhere it's hurricanes and floods.

Safe deposit boxes are a good bet for the really important stuff, like digital pics/vids of the kiddos growing up.

[mattbesquare]

funny, this conversation. I dont keep an offsite because clean room recovery is extremely reliable and covered by insurance. However, I do keep local images on my desktop and a NAS drive, both with RAID 1 arrays. The odds of a hard drive failing versus fire/flood has to be thousands or hundreds of thousands to one.

And today, for the first time in 17 years of working in the computer industry I lost a drive. And I am not your average user, at any given point I have 4 to 12 hard drives(currently8 hard drives in my house amongst machines).

I dont usually keep drives longer than two years, ebay and replace with an oem just for this reason. This was one of my mirrored drives and they contained documents and pictures since I was in middle school (I am 29 now). It is an eerie feeling. But this is why I keep RAID 1 arrays, and not just 1, but two RAID 1 arrays.

Most people don't realize how much of their life is on these drives, I have been using money since college, quick books for 5 years, pictures of my kids, retirement and investment records, receipts..etc etc etc..

Jesus saves, so should you.

Ok sorry enough of all that. back to hosses machines-you get them to impregnate each other and start making little X1's yet?

[hoss2006]

Ok sorry enough of all that. back to hosses machines-you get them to impregnate each other and start making little X1's yet?

Hilarious.

[hoss2006]

Around here, it's mainly tornadoes and fire we have to worry about, elsewhere it's hurricanes and floods.

Got it easy here, too hilly for tornadoes, too high for floods, too inland for hurricanes,
too stable for earthquakes, too old for volcanoes, fire would be the only worry.
Man, it's boring around here.
Hoss

[unixadm]

I'm an IT Manager for a large fortune 500 company. I have years of experience with this and I think using a Bluray is the way to go for a home user. Online backup services are IMO not to be trusted. Make two copies when you back up your important files, keep one on-site, and put another at another location. ANYTHING is better than nothing, and if there is anyone reading this forum that thinks you won't incur a drive failure, you're wrong. Drive technology has for the most part gotten better even as densities have increased by a very large factor, but there was a time that I would have nothing but a Seagate drive, and I've had two 1TB Seagates fail in a year. They simply do not have the quality they once did and these were "ENTERPRISE" drives, not your standard desktop variants. Anyhow you can encrypt your backup if using the right software. For example use windows backup to create the actual backup files, then burn them to a Bluray.

I use an LTO-3 tape drive for storage since I have roughly 8 TB in RAID at my home. It's not ALL pr0n fellas. hahaha.

I'm glad to see Hoss is using Bluray. The drive costs have come way down and media will follow as the adoption rate increases.

[lilbrudder]

Agreed, unixadm. ANYTHING is better than nothing.

My point in trying to steer anyone away from removable media is that it's a way to remove the PITA factor. The more of a PITA backups are, the less likely someone will do them frequently enough.

As for data recovery services, that's fine if your insurance covers it (doubt it will in a disk failure scenario, only disasters) and if your recovery time objectives will permit it. Most people can't bear the anxiety of waiting, or incur financial loss from the downtime to rely on that as the sole method of data protection.

I've had more seagates die in the last 2 years than any other brand. I manage two vendors SAN equipment, both are starting to replace failed Seagates with Hitachis. A few years ago, that was just the opposite. I guess quality issues are cyclical now. At home I have two (older, but just a few years old) enterprise seagate 250GB disks that my RAID controller has spit both of them out of the array without telling me (*thanks* LSI).

For offsite services, (ironically now a seagate product) i365 Protect (formerly Evault Protect) uses the same software and technologies that big enterprise installations do, but it's offered "as a service". It not only encrypts regular traffic over the wire, but allows you to encrypt your data at your end so it's stored encrypted on their end. Even get to choose from a handful of algorithms.

Disks fail. They always have, they probably always will. At work, just on the systems I manage, we tend to average around one failed disk per week. That doesn't count 10's of thousands of servers local disks out in the datacenters.

I'm still of an opinion that tape sucks, newer tape techs are better than the older ones, but still seems more often than not when I had to recall a tape from off-site, at least one file from the tape wouldn't restore because of issues inherent to tape. disk-to-disk with immediate off-site replication works really well in my world, but with anything YMMV.

Speaking of pr0n, and getting back to mattbesquare's comment, Hoss, show us some video of your ZX45 and G0704 makin' some X1/X2's.

[diyengineer]

Buy 2 western digital black drives. End of story.

[mattbesquare]

Buy 2 western digital black drives. End of story.

um nope. those die too. they all die, not if, but when

[cornbinder23]

Speaking of pr0n, and getting back to mattbesquare's comment, Hoss, show us some video of your ZX45 and G0704 makin' some X1/X2's. [/QUOTE]

a little Barry White, a couple of shots of way lube "to lessen inhibitions"
candlelight and now we are ready for some DEEEEEP boring :wee:

9 mos later X2.5 and hopefully no child support from the probing session!!!!

hopefully they both got dial tested before hand ROFLMAO!!!!

i still cant get the image out of my head

just think if it was a bridgport and a monarch it would be in the "mature" section

I know there is something not quite right with me

[brianwent2work]

Is this G0704 the thread or the data storage thread?* Sure miss reading posts about hoss grizzly!

[hoss2006]

oh we got off track a little is all.
Got me to back up all the g0704 pics and vids since it showed up in Feb.,
thanks for all the ideas.
I have a 25 pack of blueray discs to use so I'm covered for a while.
More stuff coming soon.
Hoss

[minug]

Just whipped up a versoin of Hoss's spindle wrench in CRS. Makes life MUCH easier!!

Thanks for the drawing Hoss.

[hoss2006]

Just whipped up a versoin of Hoss's spindle wrench in CRS. Makes life MUCH easier!!

Thanks for the drawing Hoss.

Cool beans.
Hoss

[duzallcnc]

Hi Hoss,

A few posts back you mentioned that you were thinking of putting an encoder on the spindle motor. Most of assumed that would be used for rigid tapping. I was wondering if you would mind to share your thoughts on that subject. I can visualize how most of it will work but the spindle motor kind of shuts off or is seeking at around 500 rpm which seems like a problem.

Thanks
Sean

[hoss2006]

Hi Hoss,

A few posts back you mentioned that you were thinking of putting an encoder on the spindle motor. Most of assumed that would be used for rigid tapping. I was wondering if you would mind to share your thoughts on that subject. I can visualize how most of it will work but the spindle motor kind of shuts off or is seeking at around 500 rpm which seems like a problem.

Thanks
Sean

Mine will go down to 254 rpm. There is a pot on the controller board that will lower that even more if needed.
I'll wait till I get the belt drive back on to set the low speed minimum.
I gotta get the thing cnc'ed before I bother with this stuff though.
Hoss

[hoss2006]

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